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Why do you like (or dislike) fast (160bpm+) "nuerotrance"
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FattyAcid
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Posted : Jan 12, 2009 08:48:59
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I used to really like goa gil's music, and don't get me wrong, still listen to the hard stuff....but i rrrreally don't get this proliferation of ridiculously fast, harsh, glitchey, gabber esque sound, especially when used for a long time such as a set....
please list your answers...
A. It is not preferable from a physical sustainability standpoint to dance to... which, if I'm not incorrect, is the main point of the trance experience....
B. If I am trying to introduce someone to the trance event experience, this style almost always immediately causes a negative reaction....I mean really....would you be able to explain to your kid one day that you loved such inaccessible crazy sound
C. It's hell on sound equipment, both output (poor amps at a gil show) and for the ears
D. Some of my friends who listen to death metal and gabber now think they are trancers... can't even handle Mubali, but boy, they lovez them that sped up cosmo stuff
But no, mainly, my main problem with it is A. Trance dance is, in my opinion, best to achieve and maintain between the tempos of 142bpm up to below 158bpm....any slower, and your mind will wonder for more input, and any faster, you won't be able to process the input you are recieving....
I thought Gil was all about the sacred trance dance experience. Not that there isn't an art to doing what he does for 24 hours, regardless of the fact that he wouldnt be asleep anyway  , but I wonder where the "shoom, boom and there was the energy and people dancing" or whatever(obviously not a precise quote) is supposed to be in his act these days....i honestly wonder if it's some kind of joke in his head like ,"these kids are doomed if this is the energy they want to manifest, they dont even realize I'm poisoning them, they think I am being divine!....oops, I pooped my pants"
just kidding, I love the guy, but his "redefinition" of the ancient tribal ritual's a hard pill to swallow, dance to, sometimes even to listen to....
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vector_0
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Posted : Jan 12, 2009 09:29
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from what i understand, goa gil plays music that "reflects the times we live in" and well, time is speeding up. at least he's out of his dark & scary phase?
just speculation on my part. i've never even seen the guy spin, nor would i really care to at this point
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konflux
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Posted : Jan 12, 2009 10:36
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damon
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Posted : Jan 12, 2009 10:45
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The only reason I like it because it reminds me of Slayer's "Reign in blood" which was one of my favourite albums back in the days when I was metallibasher 
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Posted : Jan 12, 2009 12:00
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On 2009-01-12 08:48:59, FattyAcid wrote:
I used to really like goa gil's music, and don't get me wrong, still listen to the hard stuff....but i rrrreally don't get this proliferation of ridiculously fast, harsh, glitchey, gabber esque sound, especially when used for a long time such as a set....
I thought Gil was all about the sacred trance dance experience. Not that there isn't an art to doing what he does for 24 hours, regardless of the fact that he wouldnt be asleep anyway , but I wonder where the "shoom, boom and there was the energy and people dancing" or whatever(obviously not a precise quote) is supposed to be in his act these days....i honestly wonder if it's some kind of joke in his head like ,"these kids are doomed if this is the energy they want to manifest, they dont even realize I'm poisoning them, they think I am being divine!....oops, I pooped my pants"
just kidding, I love the guy, but his "redefinition" of the ancient tribal ritual's a hard pill to swallow, dance to, sometimes even to listen to....
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After attending a Goa Gil party I can honestly say I never want to hear him play again. There is nothing magical about his Dj sets like trance was originally attended to be. It's scary unconscious music that lacks emotions and balance.
Everyone's got different tastes I suppose, but its just not for me.
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BrainLizzard
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Posted : Jan 12, 2009 13:40
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I had no idea that " neurotrance " meant fast, thanks for the update although I do disagree. When I encounter fast music I change my dance because I'm not going to change how fast the music sounds and complaining is just to negative, enjoy life.
When jungle first came around I remember people saying it's to hard to dance to. Then their eyes would glow when they figured out how to dance between beats. Remember the faster it gets doesn't mean you should dance faster. Energy flows is a circular motion and staying focused on the kick can disrupt that flow. Keep your heart rate down as you breath deep. Its a meditation and cardio control as well. A cats purr is a bassline and can run 45bpm to 1000bpm depending how you choose to vibrate with it." Neurotrance " to my knowledge and its obvious we are not talking the same language, isn't about speed. You really shouldn't get upset about it, take your friends to a show for beginners or boot camp parties. Its a change in frequency I'm sure.
Mubali's sound isn't translated into metal. Try devilMinds artist for starts if your trying to turn on metal heads. Mubali is more about shaking that ass instead of slam dancing.
Loud music period is bad for your ears, please don't get racist. Everyone is wired different and it is a fact that trance can be reached and maintained at zero bpm to 1000bpm and beyond. The next thing you may want to complain about is that the music doesn't dance for you.
Gil is all about the sacred trance dance experience. Anything sacred has no room for bitching or complaining so maybe that's why you feel so empty about it and once again, its OK, Be happy. Do you not think the universe isn't laughing at us? Laughing makes us feel good, try it.
Do you think Gil is still referring to the initiation from the music 15 years ago? In the ancient tribal ritual's do you remember how long sometimes the the Elders of our tribe would chant? Sometimes they'd loose their voice cause the ritual could go days on end. I wonder what Babas really are and how many different types there are? I've seen some who hold their hands above their heads for days on end even while they sleep. I've seen some do crazy postures for days as well, I hear some play music for weeks on end. What are they doing it for? Do they not know that's not what the experience is about? How dare them to not be standard. I wonder, maybe i should go do some research before I continue to open my mouth.
I'm just kidding too, Keep It Goan
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bastardsamadhi
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Posted : Jan 12, 2009 14:31
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at least his heart is in the right place... I think?
I accept that he couldn't continue to play 1996 tunes, and the fullon option for 2001+ was a path to nowhere for real "psychedelic trancing"... (blame the israelis!) 
i think sometime in the early 2000's (and continuing til this day), an odd kind of feedback loop between Gil and some of the newer generation of psy producers has resulted in "the quickening" you can experience today at a Gil show.
gil's search for "cathartic," intense psychedelic trance has definitely not done much to discourage the modern artist's participation in the race for "shock and awe."
unfortunately, as the physical vibration rates increase, detail in the music can often decrease 
"I don't wanna shrink, I wanna expand!"
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BrainLizzard
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Posted : Jan 12, 2009 15:24
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The younger generation is our future. Minus the shrinking and expanding part I fully agree with you Alex and if I had the time I'd love to elaborate on the quickening. It gets into prophecies, channeling, metaphysics, moving meditation in working with internal energy to feeling energy around you like Wing Chun Qigong to Tai-Chi, even Yoga and more. Not enough time.
All Gil events aren't the same. I've seen some that where glitch core and I've seen some that aren't. I've seen 170bpm in the Am and I've seen 148bpm in the am. I've even heard house to dubbstep tracks. Surrendering is a process that all don't need to do if not in the spiritual path.
I've gotten spooked during some shows. Its amazing what your mind can do when you go into therapy willingly.
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konvndrvm
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Posted : Jan 12, 2009 16:40
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exactly.
also;
eat more
next time
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bastardsamadhi
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Posted : Jan 12, 2009 16:47
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I'm fasting for now, i feel as though i've eaten it all before, maybe still digesting. |
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thegooddale
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Posted : Jan 12, 2009 17:31
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I really hope it is some nefarious plan to doom the psytrancers existence... Y'know, get them to trust you, bring them to play in your garden, turn into a statue of stone, and then punch them all in the face with your knife. Moatilliatta style... That would be epic. |
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Posted : Jan 12, 2009 17:54
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imo, [/start $0.02] lol
I believe there is a threshold for for faster trance music that when crossed it loses it's "trance" properties and becomes something else .. Personally I feel that when the composition pushes past about 155bpms, the neurological effects on the brain aren't the same as the 140-150/155 ranges, thus losing the "trance" effect that most of us are bound to.
Don't get me wrong, I like a lot of it from a production standpoint, but have a hard time absorbing it sometimes at events..
At times I think it's like the laws of psysics in a sense of "what goes up must come down", being that it's a bit easier to absorb if the music format of the night works towards those faster bpms and then retreats to more traditional bpms [140-148] as the party comes into the last run of the event.
One thing to consider as well is to watch the dance floor as the faster music is being played .. most people try to feel it out and hang onto the kick and snare like most trance, but at those bpms the "trance dance" gets a bit awkward. And also if that style is clearing the trance space than that should be a sign that there is a total loss of connection with the people and the event...
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thegooddale
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Posted : Jan 12, 2009 18:00
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On 2009-01-12 17:54, .RAGON:. wrote:
And also if that style s clearing the trance space than that should be a sign that there is a total loss of connection with the people and the event...
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This I can agree with, most people at these events have lost all connection... I blame their connections. LOL |
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thegooddale
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Posted : Jan 12, 2009 18:06
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I like it because it serves as an environmentally friendly alternative fuel source to power the motor on the machine I use to lower virgin bodies down to R'lyeh for Cthulu's consumption. Iah Iah Cthulu Fhtagn... |
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alus12
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Posted : Jan 12, 2009 18:59
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To me 160+ is just overkill. It seems alot of tranceheads come from hardcore and metal/industrial music but as for me i grew up just listening to early goa and my taste has progressed to dark for the past year and a half now. I fully agree that 160+ makes it extremly hard to bring other individuals to a party, i brought my gf to her first psy party on halloween and a couple songs were a bit out there for her. As for the psychedelic consciousness of the songs, i feel hovering around the 150bpm mark leads to good progression in the music rather then a monotonous bassline with glicthy sounds overtop. It does lose some of the trance dance experience while i also think it broods unfriendlyness. After a while of listening to 160+bpm music, people are worn out and not friendly i have found. While we all go to these parties for the trance dance experience i feel the experience of meeting other individuals is just as important and this is sometimes lost. |
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