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Why are you going to trance parties?
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The Green Channel
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Posted : Nov 24, 2003 21:00
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XrTC i know what you mean, but at some point i can't stay awake any longer, must sleep... No matter how good a set.
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SpEaKa HuGgEr
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Posted : Nov 24, 2003 21:17
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Yes! Thank you Yuli & Green channel!
I thought I was the only sane person left...
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Yuli
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Posted : Nov 24, 2003 21:24
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Very true traveller. I agree with you totally. The only thing I must add, that if those ppl at the given time were completely sober, they all probably would get themselves a decsent day jobs and not go to Goa for half a year.
I rest my case here
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nobody_3
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Posted : Nov 24, 2003 21:54
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Some of us actually liked the music before we tried the drugs and some of us never went to Goa.
There's not only one way of looking at it Yuli and not only one truth. Each person have his/her own reason(s) to get into trance and sorry but I dont buy that all people "discovered" trance while tripping ect.. I for one did not and I know many more that also didn't do it. Yes the scene have and still involve a lot of drug use (too much in my opinion) but you just cant put all people in the same jar as I think you do 
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Yuli
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Posted : Nov 24, 2003 22:21
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I dont. You say it yourself. I didnt say what I like and what I dont. But fact is that at any taken Trance party majority of ppl will use synthetic drugs. By far more ppl than any other music genre from the more acoustic side ( rock etc.. )
Synthetic music for synthetic ppl.
Very simple, and nothing wrong with that.
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FluoSamsara (Oxygen)
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Posted : Nov 24, 2003 23:31
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I've listened to psy trance for yers and years without taking a sinthetic drug not only once.
I've only tried some things recently 2, 3, times and it was just to know what it was, and to tell u the truth, they didn't made my party any better...
I've been to dozens and dozens of parties sober, and It might seem weird but the time I actually danced more and enjoyed myself more in a dancefloor was in a festival that I even staid out of hash/weed, in the etnicanet festival in portugal this year (gms live+dj set, made my day)  , my feet just couldn't stop dancing!
I do not have any probs with ppl that choose to consume it, as long as they know what they're doing and respect each others space, but don't tell me that trance is just all about drugs...it might have a lot of them, but its not what makes it go on!
I also produce my music, and the only drug I might take to produce is some spliffs, but if i smoke 2 much I only get lost looking to the screen!lol
And the same goes for the big majority of producers I know, you don't have to be under the effect of a psy drug to make psy music!
I think even if u are into drugs and want to experiment in parties...fine...but I think ppl first should know what it is without them!
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droozi
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Posted : Nov 24, 2003 23:43
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Well IMO, I used to go to trance parties and really enjoy them without using any drugs the only hitch was that I had to leave by about 5 or 6 cause I was dead tired by then. Then someone asked me to try LSD and the experience completely took a whole new meanin. I felt more in touch with the music, the back drops that seemed bland to me before, all of the sudden made sense. So I guess if you go to these parties and have never tried any drugs then you are good, but if you have tried some at these parties and the effect on you was as pleasant as it was for me then you like me, probably feel that you almost have to do it. Its like forcing your self to drive a toyota when you can afford a porche. So now if someone is quitting a specific drug for whatever reason then I can see why they would not want to go for a oparty, since maybe they know how good it can get and so a party can act as a sort of a temptation to do the drug, so to prevent yourself from doing the drug again people may opt not to put themselves in a situation where they are tempted. |
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Zombi
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Posted : Nov 24, 2003 23:44
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my choices are day job and groovey beats... and arak grapefruit... Believe your soul ! |
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FluoSamsara (Oxygen)
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Posted : Nov 25, 2003 00:07
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yeah droozi, i get what u mean, and yes i had some really pleasent psychedelic experiences, (not lsd but mushi mushi), but the best ones where not at a party. (amazing experience in the boom 2002)
but if i choose to take something, as i said, it is in a experience kind of way, I notice that every person has their ways of taking drugs...some to experience, some just to have fun, and some just because they don't like the reality around them(those r the ones that should be worried:P!
and so, if i'm to go into some journey into the unknown with some psychoactive substance, I prefer other surroundings than a trance party, just a place were i can be more in control of the world around me, but hey, thats just a personal preference  .
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madmardigan
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Posted : Nov 25, 2003 02:29
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I must say I completely agree with Yuli on this one but also no matter what is said no matter how true it may be its not going to convince stuborn people such as Kristian and traveller. I myslef have never been to a large trance festival with 12 of the greatest d.j.'s in the scene performing, maybe if i was able to go to one i would realize that for shows like that you dont need drugs because the music is so good. On the other hand your average weekend show that has maybe one main act with a bunch of other side acts is generally not a fantastic example of the world of trance, thats why i barely go to those parties anymore, because i'm not doin so much drugs anymore, if i was still doin the drugs i would go to those shows and have a pretty crazy time but thats why i stopped doin those drugs, because it was always just a crazy time, eventually i got tired. I still go every once and a while but as i've said in other threads, the vibe at parties is not what it used to be, at least where i live these days, its no longer underground. which is also a reason i dont do the drugs anymore. My main poin i want to make is that trance music has been around for thousands of years, at its very inception those who made and enjoyed the trance music were on drugs, drugs that helped the mind reach the trance state of mind, where the mind, body, and music become one. If you dont believe me then you need to do some research, from the ancient peoples of Africa, to the aborigonal people of australia, to the natives americans, all used trance inducing drugs, this is the same reason for there populartiy in modern trance.
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traveller
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Posted : Nov 25, 2003 02:42
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if you need drugs to like the music maybe it really isn't the music for you? trance is no longer underground? well it sure aint pop. ffs what does it matter anyways, the music is bad cos it isn't underground? "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program."
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nobody_3
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Posted : Nov 25, 2003 02:46
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Oh here we go again. yet another person that cant handle that other people have an opinion that dosent follow the standard views in this scene.. sad that so many have to get personal in these discussions.
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nobody_3
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Posted : Nov 25, 2003 03:02
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On 2003-11-24 22:21, Yuli wrote:
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I dont. You say it yourself. I didnt say what I like and what I dont. But fact is that at any taken Trance party majority of ppl will use synthetic drugs. By far more ppl than any other music genre from the more acoustic side ( rock etc.. )
Synthetic music for synthetic ppl.
Very simple, and nothing wrong with that.
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Yuli my dear friend I think you misunderstood my point.
I was not talking about what you like or not.
I was pointing out that you in my opinion draw a very stereotyped and generalised picture about people in the scene and the way the scene was build from the start. Maybe it was all about drugs in Israel and other countries but I know for sure that it was so much more in Scandinavia. Yes there was drugs as in any other scene (incl. rock - where tons of coke, speed and heroin had been used and abused for ages) BUT we were in it for the love of the music and not for the drugs. Many many people I know and knew (the majority at the parties - believe it or not) did not take any drugs and came to party weekend after weekend - high on the good drugfree vibe and the music... Actually the drug hell became much worse much later in the late 90's...
So maybe you're speaking out of your experience in Israel when you claim that the scene would never have happened without drugs... Well it did in Denmark and Sweden for sure.... with some drugs of course but not many!!!! I am aware of that a lot of people went to Goa (many more from Israel than Denmark) and took lots of drug there but I still like to seperate Goa with the rest of the world.... It had an inpact on the scene as we knew it but there's so many other aspects of the scene that made each country unique and not just another drug clone of Goa... Unfortinently that changed later and is today infected with too many drugs... in my opinion.
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nobody_3
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Posted : Nov 25, 2003 03:09
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Actually to give you an example not many people in Denmark (incl. myself) knew anything about Goa before late 1995-1996.. At that time we had been making very deep psychedelic parties in Denmark for 2-3 years... with very little drug use... Then came the "bad" Englishmen with releases such as the first Dragonfly compilations and when people got hooked on thats sound (very fast) then the English artists like Hallucinogen, Doof, Dino Psaras ect ect. started to play in Denmark and with them the Goa scene "age" started in Denmark = much more drugs at the parties = to experience what all the "hippies" had experienced in Goa on LSD.
I actually see the years before the Goa "age" as the start of trance in Scandinavia... NOT the Goa "age". And therefore I cant agree when you say that there would not be a scene without drugs... I strongly disagree but it would properly have developed into something else.... maybe into something better? |
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Inu
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Posted : Nov 25, 2003 03:54
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Synthetic music for synthetic people?
Maybe -- I came to psytrance because it had the most "organic" sound of all machine music. Hard techno, hardcore and IDM are synthetic musics, IMO.
How about "shroomed music for shroomed people"? "herbed music for herbed people"? Seriously though...
Drugs are a catalyst (not THE catalyst) for something greater. There's a saying about psychedelics -- "when you get the message, hang up the phone". A lot of artists hung up the phone! There's a difference between getting your initial inspiration from drugs and living party to party. The Ozrics for instance, are VERY shroomy. Hallucinogen and Kox Box are VERY acid. But those guys live almost totally clean now! Going back further, a lot of ex-druggies went to live very aesthetic lives in poor countries because of their spiritual awakening. Goa Gil anyone?
Look, I don't use drugs -- not my lifestyle, not my body type. I like eating and sleeping  But it doesn't have to be this "serious trancer"/"hedonistic drug user" dichotomy. Drugs can turn you "onto" something, make you confront aspects of your reality. Not just turn you on.
tiger got to hunt,
bird got to fly,
man got to sit and wonder why, why, why?
tiger got to sleep,
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