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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Jan 19, 2011 01:06
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moki
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Posted : Jan 21, 2011 01:59
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On 2011-01-17 22:47, Aluxe wrote:
Well there has to be some kind of conspiracy-- that seems beyond obvious. |
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if it is so obvious, how can it be a "conspiracy"? if it is as obvious as it is to the present day, then it has nothing to do with a secret plot of a secret group gaining power over our minds. because it is obvious that it is happening every second. we know it. we realize it. we are aware of it. we have broken the illusion already, almost everyone. we experienced the collapse of the financial system, now we are experiencing the bliss to deliberately let yourself be involved in an illusion- it feels so good that the financial crisis is in the past. and we do let ourselves be lied. we chose to live in a lie. it is comfortable. the conspirators are nowadays the big class clowns that everyone seems to like.
so it is not a secret conspiracy theory any more, but it is a theory about the conformity of the human mind and the human masses doing nothing to change things.
and is there someone who is coming to save our minds from the collective dream? did i miss a prophet?
seriously, the information is out there, available to anyone. it is not secret any more. this used to be very different 15 years ago. so, the world is quite transparent.
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So isn’t that in itself already a conspiracy? Hundreds of thousands of people have been killed in that war. So what does that tell you about those running the show? |
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it tells me, that they are so good and powerful in what they are doing that they can even run the show in front of our noses ( not secretly at all!!) without being afraid that we see this. and we do see it. and we do continue living the old way. waiting for the critical mass to bring a consciousness shift. btw we were waiting for that since at least almost 20 years in trance too. so what if we have revealed the secret going on. what follows?
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Or do you really think the pope and the vatican are concerned about your spirituality and salvation? How gullible can we be? . |
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and what makes you think that someone who is revealing conspiracy theories is concerned about our salvation and spirituality? i see no argument speaking for that but i am open to hear how those people revealing conspiracies bring me nearer to my spiritual salvation. as a matter of fact, i believe noone is concerned about my salvation, not even one. except my own heart. and a heart experiences more salvation if it connects to other hearts in love and not in fear.
love seems to be a prosess that means to give abundant energy to those who need it. conspiracy theories give more fear than love.
life is like a game with a lot of different quests to fullfill. one of the most important, is to plan your life according to your goal and always rethink what brings you nearer to the goal and then plan your strategies according to the goal and the given difficulties. with one word, unless you are planning to ruin the white house with a trancy firework , the best thing to do is to think of what is the fastest way to reach a critical mass of humans for the cosncsiousness shift....this is what i think at least. because everything else is just a concentration on an energy that is fault and will vaporize your heart into fear.
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Aluxe
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Posted : Jan 31, 2011 07:29
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if it is so obvious, how can it be a "conspiracy"? if it is as obvious as it is to the present day, then it has nothing to do with a secret plot of a secret group gaining power over our minds. because it is obvious that it is happening every second. we know it. we realize it. we are aware of it. we have broken the illusion already, almost everyone. we experienced the collapse of the financial system, now we are experiencing the bliss to deliberately let yourself be involved in an illusion- it feels so good that the financial crisis is in the past. and we do let ourselves be lied. we chose to live in a lie. it is comfortable. the conspirators are nowadays the big class clowns that everyone seems to like.
so it is not a secret conspiracy theory any more, but it is a theory about the conformity of the human mind and the human masses doing nothing to change things.
and is there someone who is coming to save our minds from the collective dream? did i miss a prophet?
seriously, the information is out there, available to anyone. it is not secret any more. this used to be very different 15 years ago. so, the world is quite transparent.
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Great observations Tina.
I think we very much choose not to change things. We think it’s too hard or even impossible to change things. And maybe on some level we try to convince ourselves that we do not have a choice. And yes we are aware that we are being lied to however maybe we don’t know to what degree we are being lied to, in other words there might be a huge part of the lie which we are just not aware of. I guess it all depends on how deep the “conspiracy” really goes.
Like is it just money and physical wealth being stolen from us? Perhaps that’s just what they want us to focus on to hide something more sinister going on. Like some people claim there is KEY knowledge about the nature of reality and who we are that is been kept from us in order to keep us in a very dumbed out state of mind where we can be easily controlled and manipulated. Could that be true?
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it tells me, that they are so good and powerful in what they are doing that they can even run the show in front of our noses ( not secretly at all!!) without being afraid that we see this. and we do see it. and we do continue living the old way. waiting for the critical mass to bring a consciousness shift. btw we were waiting for that since at least almost 20 years in trance too. so what if we have revealed the secret going on. what follows?
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We don’t do anything because we feel trapped and powerless to fight the system and it would not be hard to imagine that the powers that are controlling things are actively trying to keep us locked in that mindset. You know in that “I’m a little helpless human” state of mind where we actively renounce our power before we even get to discover it.
I hope we can reach critical mass though and maybe its possible now that we can spread information with the internet and hopefully its writen in the stars as well and we are destined to graduate from this mess. Though I hope we are not wating too much for that to just happen on its own.
You know I sometimes think that the world is just a reflection of who I am and while I am waiting for the whole world to awaken the only one who really needs to awaken is me. The day I wake up will be the day I see we have reached critical mass and the shift has occurred. Crazy thought but it’s kind of cool to play with that idea, like in the end maybe its just me (you) who the world is waiting for and that all it boils down too. And we are all just the same counscousiousness.
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and what makes you think that someone who is revealing conspiracy theories is concerned about our salvation and spirituality? i see no argument speaking for that but i am open to hear how those people revealing conspiracies bring me nearer to my spiritual salvation. as a matter of fact, i believe noone is concerned about my salvation, not even one. except my own heart. and a heart experiences more salvation if it connects to other hearts in love and not in fear.
love seems to be a prosess that means to give abundant energy to those who need it. conspiracy theories give more fear than love.
life is like a game with a lot of different quests to fullfill. one of the most important, is to plan your life according to your goal and always rethink what brings you nearer to the goal and then plan your strategies according to the goal and the given difficulties. with one word, unless you are planning to ruin the white house with a trancy firework , the best thing to do is to think of what is the fastest way to reach a critical mass of humans for the cosncsiousness shift....this is what i think at least. because everything else is just a concentration on an energy that is fault and will vaporize your heart into fear.
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Yeah some people that are really into the conspiracy stuff can put you into a really uneasy state of mind with all the fear and horror stories they tell you about how they world is controlled. Maybe it’s a natural first reaction, you know, to be shocked and angered as you realize that you are being fucked every day of your life. But you have to be careful to not get stuck in a state of fear and anger because the whole point is to free our minds from exactly that. Maybe it’s like they say: “the truth shall set you free, but first it will piss you off”. But its important to remember that the goal is ultimately to reach a state of love and trust where we can grow and be open and truly liberated. That’s the vision that I think we want to feed in the world, because the current system is quite fear based unfortunately. But maybe we do not need to untangle the conspiracy but rather just focus on creating a dynamic of trust and loving harmony between eachother.
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Posted : Jan 31, 2011 08:45
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Maybe conspiracy theories were "planted" to make people waste their time the wrong places, instead of asking the really important questions, and never get deeper than a conspiracy THEORY can allow.
I have only had a shallow interest in conspiracy theories, and can't talk for my friends whom I know have more than what I would call a healthy interest in them. Basically believing everything a conspiracy theory says.
What I can interpret out of that, is that they seem keen on just swallowing up everything that criticises the status quo. Like they get a fix from it.
The easy bought logic of a conspiracy, and how everything makes sense in a tightly fit system, is a thrill in itself, and doesn't demand as such a self-criticism or a questioning of the system itself.
For example: Why would they spray the sky? What's the point? For rain? A few dudes I know will ofte state, after some days of sun, that rain will come soon, because they spray the sky... But... To me it is just part of the natural way of the weather... Sometimes sun, sometimes rain, sometimes cloudy... etc.
The example is an easy one. But when it comes to deeper issues, I only see a conspiracy as one way of explaining an event or events, or a problem.
But the theory always have a quick answer, a quick fix to keep the interest going.
I am not saying that all conspiracies are untrue, but I think most of them gets too entangled in their own logic, and forgets that reality is more than their own logic and viewpoint.
It is better to get beyond.
Yes I know.. My answer is not reall an answer, more me trying to be smart 
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moki
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Posted : Feb 1, 2011 01:42
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On 2011-01-31 07:29, Aluxe wrote:
You know I sometimes think that the world is just a reflection of who I am and while I am waiting for the whole world to awaken the only one who really needs to awaken is me. The day I wake up will be the day I see we have reached critical mass and the shift has occurred. Crazy thought but it’s kind of cool to play with that idea, like in the end maybe its just me (you) who the world is waiting for and that all it boils down too. And we are all just the same counscousiousness.
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wow this is the most brilliant idea that i|ve read for a long time. and certainly the most healthy approach to conspiracies and awakening too. because there is an extreme quality of hope inside. of course if you or anyone is the last mind to awake in a chain reaction of mass awakening, then this is full of positive vision for a hopeful solution in the planetary misery. i find this is the right way to feel. and i often feel true compassion to those who claim to have been awakened, because i am absolutely sure there is much more deepness and complexity in the universe, than any human has ever seen in his evolutionary process. and even if he ever went to a state of oneness with the known universe, there must certainly be an unknown that he never saw. not buddha, nor jesus not anyone. and may be our gods have other gods too and there es no final institution of a godly residence and existence. but this is another story and reminds me of the fact that almost all conspiracy theories are based on the thesis that some sort of extraterrestrial entities fight for our souls on earth. the earth itself is meant to be a field for interstellar wars where different entities try to enslave us.
yes to some extent this is quite fictional. but not completely. because i am sure that certain entities are very interested in our soulds and you never know if they are angels or demons, and may be both of them.
the question is that we are absolutely not prepared for a cosmic collapse, in case it would happen. and we dont even need a conspiracy to be able to see that a collapse in ecological sense is quite near. and those who dont see it, might not be of such an importance because the more important question is what would we do. what would we do if if we complete the process of infiltrating our mind into a symbiotic relationship with technology and in particular the internet and then suddenly we are left for weeks without electricity and there is no internet either and may be no vehicles and airplanes. what would it be then, are we prepared.
this is what interests me most and i am truely tired to wait for a critical mass of others because it is obviously firstly me whom i am responsible for. to awaken. at least to try.
well, on the contrary, imagine that you were waiting for others to awaken - it is waste of time to highest degree, because then everything would be happening independent from you
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THe best aproach is to buiild the world you wanna live in, only then you could find if there are real obstacles imposed by the "system".
As aluxe said the obstacles are within us, and the only conspiracy is the one in our heads boycotting by procrastination and lack of will.
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