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PhMagic
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Posted : Apr 20, 2005 17:12
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Hello!
When and why do people use limiters? I've been making a lot of psytrance, but never really understanded this term.
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Apr 20, 2005 17:30
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If you understand what a compressor with infinite ratio (30:1) and a very fast attack does to the signal, then you understand what a limiter does.
People mainly use limiters to catch loud transients/peaks that go through the roof and use the gain make up to turn the whole mix up and get a louder RMS sound.
Limiters have artifacts though, too much and you degrade the quality of the mix.
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UnderTow
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Posted : Apr 20, 2005 18:52
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14-year old e-tard is right.
Another use for a limiter is when people are playing live at parties to make sure nothing too loud shoots out and makes the audience deaf or damages the PA.
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Lithium
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Posted : Apr 20, 2005 19:14
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On 2005-04-20 18:52, UnderTow wrote:
Another use for a limiter is when people are playing live at parties to make sure nothing too loud shoots out and makes the audience deaf or damages the PA.
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hehe good one  |
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Yellow Warrior
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Posted : Apr 20, 2005 19:45
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Please tell me if what i'm thinking is right....
If my different sounds in a track have different frequency levels, i.e they are all over the place - by using a limiter on the master channel i can level out all the sounds to a desired frequency?
Is that what a limiter does?
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Lithium
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Posted : Apr 20, 2005 20:22
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if you aply the limiter in each individual channel yes, but i guess diferent sounds shouldn´t all be at the same level.
If you aply it in the master channel then the output channel won´t go over the limiter but the sounds won´t be at the same level individually. |
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sy000321
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Posted : Apr 20, 2005 20:28
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the problem using limiters on the master (and compressors) channel is that bass frequencies have much more energy than hifreq ones so the hi-freqs will become driven by the bass pull  wich can also be used to good effect on an artistic level
still, you may be able to tweak enough to achieve the effect you're amming at, something that i've had serious difficulty with!
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daniel duarte
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Posted : Apr 22, 2005 18:53
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True... Thats why you should never compress or limit a master channel.
Always go for independent compressing thru the channels, and when you get to the mastering point (with everything bounced into a .wav) you will then apply the final limiting, compression and eq adjustments. |
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5Meo-Geo
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Posted : Apr 22, 2005 19:12
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Posted : May 17, 2005 10:11
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : May 17, 2005 10:14
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On 2005-04-22 19:12, 5Meo-Geo wrote:
coze they lazy to work on mix a little bit more
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But This Is (I think) The Only Wrong Answer
Be Coz If U r Doing a Good One (Track) And All Are 100 So The Mix Will Not Be The Prob'.
Some Times The Limiter Giving U More Power ! (compr') .
Work Without And Then Listen To ON And U Will See The Differents .
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Elad
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Posted : May 17, 2005 13:03
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On 2005-04-20 20:28, sy000321 wrote:
bass frequencies have much more energy than hifreq ones so the hi-freqs will become driven by the bass pull
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thats mix problem.
and if use the L3 u can set priority to freqs so its no problem at all..
i support master limiting even on very good mix it still give u gr8 boost
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sy000321
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Posted : May 17, 2005 13:05
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yeah... i so it sometimes too... for pumping, crunch or just to get near the -10dbs
supposedly using a multiband is enough or applying a filter in the compressor trigger
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vox
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Posted : May 17, 2005 18:35
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On 2005-04-20 19:45, Bharath wrote:
Please tell me if what i'm thinking is right....
If my different sounds in a track have different frequency levels, i.e they are all over the place - by using a limiter on the master channel i can level out all the sounds to a desired frequency?
Is that what a limiter does?
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nope. limiter changes the amplitude of the signal, not its frequency content. basically, when the level (amplitude) of th signal reaches certain level, it stays there, and cannot go over that threshold. if limiting is too hard, it will introduce some changes in frequency spectrum, causing higher frequencies to appear since the transients in the signal change. what you are talking about here is a multiband limiter (essentially a multiband compressor).
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tokolosh
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Posted : May 18, 2005 16:38
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On 2005-04-20 20:28, sy000321 wrote:
bass frequencies have much more energy than hifreq ones so the hi-freqs will become driven by the bass pull.
i think thats very true.
during mastering i would compres the low end at around 120-140Hz in order to tame the bass frequencies and the last thing i do is limit the entier mix with an L3. |
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