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Why 6-8 minutes per track?
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : May 27, 2009 21:39
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I think a psycedelic trance tune should have at least 7 minutes and than its probably some minutes too short if its really a good one where you can dive deep into the story enjoy the quality like in every frequency and each element and feel what trance really is.
There are a lot of tunes i wish they were longer.Espacially those great fast ones 
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rich
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Posted : May 27, 2009 22:42
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On 2009-05-27 20:52, rich wrote:
I haven't read all the responses here so maybe this one has already been mentioned...
I would think it just happens to be the sum of time given each part of the track. So the intro is given one to two minutes, then part A is given 2 or 3 minutes, etc, till the outro. So to question why 6 to 8 minutes per track you may want to start with questioning why 1 to 2 minutes for the intro, 2-3 minutes for part A, part B, etc.
If I were to guess, it probably comes from a standard for dance music, based on how many measures are needed to 'get a groove on'. Starting with 70's disco. Take a listen to Donna Summer songs, where the groove is played long enough to reach trance. Using that as an early model, and tack on intro's, breadkowns and buildups that became standard in psytrance, and you'll probably come out with 6-8 minutes.
I would also query some of the first composers and ask them. Probably get some insight there.
(I have to note here that Suomi style psytrance pays no mind to 'standards in psytrance' and does away with the formulas, which is why track lengths can be 3 - 11 minutes, and even more or less. (That's why I love it. no rules  )
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I like my answer and want it near the top of the new page, not the end of the last where it probably won't get read. 
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : May 28, 2009 03:24
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For me it's partlyabout proportion and balance; for instance if you want a nice long breakdown so people on the dancefloor forget about the power of the previous section enabling you to smack them hard when the track drops (cue whistling and whooping), it has to be over a certain length, which means the sections either side of it have to be at least a certain length too to justify the existence of a breakdown that long. Keeping the track interesting during all this is kind of a separate issue, almost, as the types of arrangements used in psytrance require a fairly long track to work, before you even start thinking about the actual content of a tune.
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RK9
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Posted : May 28, 2009 07:00
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Most mainstream dance music (especially vocal trance) tends to follow the structure:
Intro (mix in point)
Breakdown
Buildup
Hook/"Anthem"
Middle (alternate mix in/mix out)
Breakdown
Buildup
Hook/"Anthem"
Outro (mix out)
So many mainstream EDM tracks are so long because they're basically two of the same thing stuck together, plus an intro and outro, the idea being that if the crowd likes it a lot the first time, you can keep playing and if they don't you can easily mix out early.
Psytrance on the other hand, does not have nearly as long of an intro and outro and tends to be less repetitive, so I don't understand why people make the tracks as long as they do--it makes DJing boring
Many psy tracks I listen to, the first half is so different from the second half that I feel like they want to be two different tracks, but the producer felt that he/she had to stick them together because they were too short individually or something like that?
Please don't be afraid to make tracks shorter! 5 minutes is fine and makes DJing more fun. And if you want to make it longer, make the buildups more gradual so that you can mix longer |
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Elad
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Posted : May 28, 2009 14:33
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On 2009-05-25 20:36, Outolintu wrote:
i'm more distressed with album lenghts. why must a trance album always be +70 minutes?
there are always those 1-3 fillers which are superfluous. 55-65 minutes is still very reasonable and would probabaly rise many albums's quality a couple of notches.
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they dont have to
short album that is good is 100% perfect who cares.
but actualy for my upcoming album i wish there was 100 minutes cds...
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Outolintu
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Posted : May 28, 2009 15:47
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On 2009-05-28 14:33, Elad wrote:
short album that is good is 100% perfect who cares.
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these are my thoughts exactly. in fact i prefer nowerdays shorter albums BUT many others seem to think that they don't get their moneys worth if the album length isn't +70 mins. the old quantity vs. quality thingy 
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but actualy for my upcoming album i wish there was 100 minutes cds...
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how about a double cd then? but if i were you i'd release two separate albums.
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MR VOMERS
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Posted : May 28, 2009 16:28
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My friends are experimenting with 15 - 30 minute tracks...
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Ascension
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Posted : May 28, 2009 17:05
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The length of track really should matter. Trance music is just supposed to build up, then come back down (or have little plateaus in between those points), so however long you want that to take is up to you.
Having a track (which I would consider to be 1 idea) go for too long might not be able to appropriately perform the necessary functions of what trance music is supposed to do (generally speaking). Spend too long building up - people get bored and lose focus. Spend too long coming down - people get anxious and want to leave/want something new to start.
To answer the initial question- tracks are 6-8 minutes long because everyone has ADD.
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : May 28, 2009 17:56
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what really is destroying a good tune when a tune is short but has lots of breaks interruptions etc.Or when a dj forget that its about trance and forget about ppl he shows his selections to do not want too much wait to dance and came there not for standing around and waiting for the beat.
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kahn
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Posted : May 30, 2009 04:57
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It should be noted that in older electronic music tunes ranged about 4-6mins. The music has gotten longer for sure. But I think if it gets much longer, it can get boring UNLESS the song feels like many in one.
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drucdrac
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Posted : Jun 1, 2009 16:32
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as a listener and as a composer, i don't need any "standard".
academism sucks. 
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i guess that the answer is more sociologic or anthropologic than artistic.
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