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Why 6-8 minutes per track?
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shahar
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Posted : May 24, 2009 11:00:25
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I think 90% of all trance, and for that matter, also techno & house, tracks are 6-8 minutes long.
I wonder why is that. Is it an industry standard? Is it the ideal length for our brains/bodies to digest? Is it because artists are lazy/uncreative?
Any thoughts from listeners / artists?
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exotic
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Posted : May 24, 2009 11:22
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Good question, i used to wonder about this myself and i think there has been a topic like this in the past where people discussed the issue
Yeah its stupid if you think why good artists who have the talent and potential don't put out longer tracks . Its so much more engaging if the track is good and long. I think most artist out there started adhering to track timings that existed since the early conception, or that they run out of ideas for a particular structure.
Something on the lines of a 78 min live set would be ideal , that has a flow from one track into the other. that imo would be much more enjoyable for listeners than 8 individual tracks, which might be good, but not well packaged into a listening experience.
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Perma Fry
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Posted : May 24, 2009 11:35
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I think that this only depends on the story in the song.
Some tracks take 8 mins to tell you its story some take 6 mins ...
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mk47
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Posted : May 24, 2009 11:37
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yea somehow 90% or so , dunno , i don`t have a problem though , as long as I like whats in those 6 - 8 mins of music  ,but the more creative and colorful , experimental guys like haltya , sattel battle , o.o.o.d and a lot of suomi folk have albums out with varying time durations on their tracks .. 
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hallucinator
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Posted : May 24, 2009 11:43
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Soul Kontakt
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Posted : May 24, 2009 12:43
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We do not even look at the time of the track while we are producing it, we look at the time when it's completely finished...That way there is not time limit for production you juts produce till you feel it's ready...I think that nowadays longer tracks are feeling better, 8-10 mins per track and that makes a longer better feeling more time for build up of every sound...
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A.Rosengren
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Posted : May 24, 2009 13:44
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On 2009-05-24 11:00:25, shahar wrote:
Is it because artists are lazy/uncreative?
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I do not believe it has anything to do with lazyness or sloth. I personally have a vision of how this track will come out and what will be included in it, and after several sessions of collecting material and putting down midi it usually ends up with a track that can come out in 2-3 diffrent ways and in unlimited ways in matter of approach.
Now it usually ends up with around 40 audiochannels, and plenty of midichannels. All adjusted to fit my ears and the context of the track. Now if i were to use these elements in a 18 minutes long track not only would i be bored playing it, i would probably bore everyone on the dancefloor including you. On the other hand if i were to smash all of these elements into lets say a 4 minute track i believe it would turn out to be a mess, or even sound like a bad radio edit of a track that could actually be good.
Keeping a track intresting for 7-9 minutes is a challenge, keeping a track intresting for 19 minutes is an art and trying to make a 4 minute trancetrack is like putting 1.5 liters of water into a 1 liter container. IMHO
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demoniac
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Posted : May 24, 2009 15:16
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Allegoric - Psynce
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Posted : May 24, 2009 15:20
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^^ agreed with Soul Kontakt...
but for the answer of this question...
1 artist makes a track of 80 minutes = 1 CD
8 artists make 8 tracks of 10 minutes = 1 CD
anybody thought of this ?
maybe that's why it has become a standard as to get different music in one CD...
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a3k
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Posted : May 24, 2009 17:10
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some inputs
only love we will take track from psykovsky and deja vu proj: this is art!
^^ 20 minutes tracks usually are dificult to keep the listener inbued from the 1st to last minut, but when they do, it is soemthing to remember..but for the other hand the 7/8 minutes track is probably to fill up the cd..to manage to put 10 tracks into a CD..i prefer less tracks and more quality on lesser tracks..but it is a standart..very few artists make 10 minutes track rather than 20 minutes...
probably it frightens the label owner to put out a cd with only 5 tracks of 10/15 minutes in the market..
for exaple for those interested in long tracks:
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On 2009-04-04 19:10, diogo_c wrote:
hi folks,
some updates on the project:
i've just upload a couple of songs from my last album @ http://www.myspace.com/becomingintense and i'm happy to announce that a new album is coming out on the following months.
it will be a double-album released only through the internet as free mp3 download and fairly priced wavs. this is gonna be very different and unique, since the albums consists of single tracks with over 1h of music each...100% non-stop derrangement!
best regards!
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Kaz
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Posted : May 24, 2009 19:23
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It's about the dancefloor. At parties each track (w/o opening and ending) usually runs 3-5 minutes on it's own, the rest is mixed or cut out in order to keep the pace to the set. Trends are set, and voila.
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Ascension
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Posted : May 24, 2009 19:49
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For DJing it's nice to have tracks of that length so you have enough time to mix them together, time to let it play/setup the next track and then mix out of it.
For production- I don't even worry about the length, tracks just seem to end around that time because I'm done with telling whatever story I intended to.
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shahar
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Posted : May 24, 2009 20:59
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Yeah Ascension, but why? Why are you done exactly after this length- that is what interests me.
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J
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Posted : May 24, 2009 21:56
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Nice question ideed. I always wondered why.
My theory is, I think its a kinda of formula:
~ 2 min intro;
~ 4 min devolopment;
~ 2 min intro (out)
So that you can use the intros for mixing, and enjoy the track on the middle.
I always thought of that.
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : May 25, 2009 01:17
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Has anyone heard of John Cage? This conversation made me think of him.
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