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Who've had it with those paying for help stuff??
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Djones
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Posted : Oct 31, 2010 18:01
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I'll happily pay a guy 500 bucks if he can get me to make a real track  |
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daark
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Posted : Oct 31, 2010 18:38
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money should be free !
anyway it is a fair rip off
there are a lot of small teachers for helping beginners. so make some pocket money from it is just a basic thing i don't see a reason for all the fuss around it.
it is like giving a math class for a eleven year old even though you don't know more than basic high school. anyway both sides win.
if you are that smart you could just learn for yourself.it is hard though and could take longer.
so major point you don't know what you'll benefit from the person willing to teach.even though it seems the teacher is not god of gods in production and music and not a famous multi platinum artist most aren't maybe it is still worth a shot.maybe not
@tsabeat:
a degree in music is basicly far from theoretical studies and more about geting pro in the instrument you play and to get there you need to master at least one just for start...so if you don't play any instruments i doubt it is for you.and it is not such a major thing i know a lot of people with a degree who play the guitar just as bad as me and know more or less the same stuff and people who just naturaly ripping the shit out of it without even knowing where is each note
 http://soundcloud.com/magimix-1/chilling-forest-whispers
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orgytime
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Posted : Oct 31, 2010 20:27
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well, you think people give you the knowledge the experienced since 10 or more years for free.
i tell you, you can find nearly everything for free in the net... but dont blame ppl who put much effort in teaching.
cheers
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Oct 31, 2010 23:19
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On 2010-10-30 16:24:04, davinski wrote:
doesn't information have to be free to the big audience???
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No, it doesn’t. Nothing at all has to be given for free, unless the giver wants it so. You can find plenty of free advice here from producers – beginners, professionals and everybody in between – only because they are giving it to you out of the goodness of their hearts. That’s all. Nobody has to do it. There are many reasons why someone would want to pay for teaching. And there are reasons why someone would ask money for his advice. If you don’t wanna buy – ignore it and move on. Somebody else may actually find it useful.
Maybe it was spam, maybe it wasn’t. The guy was not selling golf clubs here. Somebody on this forum already was reading his blog, so it’s not like he came here totally out of the blue. And he is open about what he’s selling: gave us links to his music and a sample lesson. Seems to me like a decent way to introduce himself. What’s such a big deal here?
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davinski
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Posted : Nov 1, 2010 00:07
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it's relative simple. They charge because there is a market for it! |
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Nov 1, 2010 00:47
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I still can't find a problem there. |
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Remy [POF]
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Posted : Nov 1, 2010 00:59
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On 2010-10-31 18:01, Djones wrote:
I'll happily pay a guy 500 bucks if he can get me to make a real track
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when do you want to come over to my studio? 
On 2011-03-08 23:13, moki wrote:
listening only to free music is like having the free possibility to satisfy yourself with thousends of different free sexual acts. |
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davinski
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Posted : Nov 1, 2010 02:46
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commercialization and psychedelic music are a contradiction.
If you know the roots of this music, you'll know that this is underground music at heart, so made by enthusiasts and therefore not to make money off. |
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Nov 1, 2010 07:00
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Tell it to Pink Floyd.
Well, if seriously - yeah, I understand what you're saying. It's folk music, so let's keep it as such. But everybody's different: some people learn from YouTube, others from books, yet somebody else learns best from one-on-one tutoring or a structured school course. Same about practicing; some people tweak knobs and build insane FX chains in hopes that something cool will come out, others read manuals and try to reproduce sounds they hear in others' tracks. And some people may prefer those things some certain way not quite the same as what they find here or on YouTube - and are willing to pay money for it. Is it really so horrible? We can argue about which way may work better for most people - but let's not come to slogans about how it "should" be for everybody.
P.S. So, does your argument extend to the music itself? Should we all boycott Ocelot for going pro and actually attempting to earn a living from his tracks? I don't think so, but it seems like a logical next step in your reasoning.  |
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vipal
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Posted : Nov 1, 2010 08:04
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On 2010-10-31 18:38, daark wrote:
money should be free !
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bukboy
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Posted : Nov 1, 2010 08:36
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Money is what people trade for stuff they think is worthwhile or valuable.
Commercialization is making what people will pay you money for. (Coz they value what u making)
It doesn't mean the music they buy is good, it just means they like it enough to work their jobs to pay for it.
Commercialization is a double edged sword and not entirely bad. The artist is forced to follow the tastes of those who have money in order to be paid, which leaves him with two choices. Either tendentiously copy and reproduce what sells, or alternatively raise the bar and do what the leaders are doing but in different surprising better ways.
Its pretty much the same in all spheres of life - either you can compare yourself to the perceived leaders, or you can start your own thing - which if successful will make others look up to you.
This is where investment comes in, as you can either pay a teacher to get you better quicker (if thats how you define better) or you can invest time in learning yourself... All options really - The investment direction you choose will ultimately either yield you a reward in a bigger audience or more income or whatever, or it will be a waste. You take the risk.
But generally - point is money is the medium which allows perceived value to be compared and exchanged. Its not fundamentally a bad thing as hippies believe.
Hippies need to stop pulling rank over the perceived superiority of their spirituality.
** I'm so much holier than thou because I believe in made up universal consciousness.** ** I'm so much holier than thou because I believe that work and money is below me. **
If someone falls for it I feel sorry for them, as they have been brainwashed by a loser without any influence or talent. (except for manipulation)
People need to see non materialism as a form of spiritual self promotion by a cult or sect. Interestingly, these people who claim non-materialism , are very interested in relieving you of your money. Manipulation and Hypocrisy. The essence of the hippy. |
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Kryten
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Posted : Nov 1, 2010 09:12
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I think its okay to ask for a bit of money, if the service is worth it. As long as there are people willing to pay it, why not? Its hard enough to earn a living with music stuff I guess...
Its up to you if you buy such stuff, or save the money and spend more time on searching the infos by yourself and learn it.
I have quite some theoretical knowledge now, its from here, from youtube, other forums and books. But I gladly pay someone at the moment, to help me put all that stuff together and use it. Without that it would probally take me some more weeks or months to finish my first track...
If you dont like it, then just ignore it and let others pay. |
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TaZaR
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Posted : Nov 1, 2010 11:05
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Nov 1, 2010 11:07
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Need to add one more thing outta my mind.
You can learn how to make your usual 'psytrance'song from youtube but for sure not real engineering/producing and the serious stuff.
https://soundcloud.com/shivagarden |
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Mike A
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Posted : Nov 1, 2010 11:17
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On 2010-11-01 02:46, davinski wrote:
commercialization and psychedelic music are a contradiction.
If you know the roots of this music, you'll know that this is underground music at heart, so made by enthusiasts and therefore not to make money off.
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You are being too naive.
Why is "commercialization" such a bad word?
You do not want your artists to be able to afford new gear? Get paid for their work?
As much as I wish to make a new track now, I gotta study because I got some homework from university.
Your point of view is valid in stoners inside world where real life doesn't count, but only there.
Of course the music is made by the heart, but the heart also needs food.
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