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Which RMS value to concentrate on?
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Chemogen
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Posted : Aug 20, 2007 17:05
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I'mcurrently using the Har-Bal/Ozone (GM Complete CD Preset) workflow and being a somewhat entry level producer, I’m wondering which RMS level I should look for?
I use Adobe Audition for analysing statistics, and for a test mix I’m working on, the total RMS is -18.37 while the average is -22.05. Which level do I want to take down to -10/-11db? The average or the total?
Wanting to get the total RMS down to -11db, I subtracted 11 from 18.37 (7.37) and set my Ozone Loudness Maximiser threshold to -7.3db which got me a Total RMS of -12.65 and an Average of -15.53.
While not exactly the loudest, I think it’s still pretty loud but I’m wondering if I’m looking at the RMS levels correctly. Am I doing this correctly? Should I use the average RMS as a starting point or the total RMS? Which RMS do I want to be:
"• Between -10 and -12 RMS, great for most commercial songs
• Between -16 and -12 RMS, great for softer compositions" ?
The average or the total?
Thanks in advance!
I know this is a question better suited for the Har-Bal forums, but while I wait for my registration to be approved, I thought I'd ask it here.
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faxinadu
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Posted : Aug 20, 2007 17:32
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Chemogen
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Posted : Aug 20, 2007 17:36
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Seeing as I can't edit the original post, here it is again with a bit more depth.
I’m currently using the Har-Bal/Ozone (GM Complete CD Preset) workflow and being a somewhat entry level producer, I’m wondering which RMS level I should look for?
I use Adobe Audition for analysing statistics, and for a test mix I’m working on, the total RMS is -18.37 while the average is -22.05. Which level do I want to take down to -10/-11db? The average or the total?
Wanting to get the average RMS down to -10db, I subtracted 10 from 22.05 (12.05) and set my Ozone Loudness Maximiser threshold to -12 db which got me a:
Minimum RMS Power: -50.88 dB -50.99 dB
Maximum RMS Power: -3.9 dB -3.96 dB
Average RMS Power: -12.91 dB -13.3 dB
Total RMS Power: -10.47 dB -10.79 dB
While a professional track from the same genre (Silent Sphere - Seperated Minds had these stats.
Minimum RMS Power: -78.05 dB -74.7 dB
Maximum RMS Power: -4.74 dB -5.12 dB
Average RMS Power: -10.92 dB -10.95 dB
Total RMS Power: -10.16 dB -10.19 dB
Actual Bit Depth: 16 Bits 16 Bits
While not exactly the loudest, I think it’s still pretty loud but I’m wondering if I’m looking at the RMS levels correctly. Should my Minimum RMS be so different from the professionally mastered tracks, RMS? -50 compared to -70…
Am I doing this correctly? Should I use the average RMS as a starting point or the total RMS? Which RMS do I want to be:
• Between -10 and -12 RMS, great for most commercial songs
• Between -16 and -12 RMS, geat for softer compositions ?
The average or the total?
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Pavel
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Posted : Aug 20, 2007 18:07
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I work on -10dB max
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Chemogen
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Posted : Aug 20, 2007 18:20
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-10dB of what though? Total RMS or Average RMS? Or do you raise the Average RMS to increase the total RMS? |
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PoM
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Posted : Aug 21, 2007 02:01
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if you want maximum sound quality use K-20 metering while mixing and then at mastering set the rms where it s sound good to you but not too far from realsed tracks |
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Elad
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Posted : Aug 21, 2007 04:04
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astrotec
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Posted : Aug 21, 2007 05:50
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i think people take too much notice of statistics |
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shachar
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Posted : Aug 21, 2007 10:52
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rms can be diferent fom one analyazer to the other
depands on the values and speed its work.
I think good master will be around -10DB rms |
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-aeon-
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Posted : Aug 21, 2007 11:30
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On 2007-08-20 17:32, faxinadu wrote:
probably better for psy, in today's mad world of loudness maybe even up to -8 at some extremes.
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yep  |
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Pavel
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Posted : Aug 21, 2007 13:47
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On 2007-08-20 18:20, Chemogen wrote:
-10dB of what though? Total RMS or Average RMS? Or do you raise the Average RMS to increase the total RMS?
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-10 of what i see as a zero on cubase 
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Sound Surgeon
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Posted : Aug 27, 2007 12:22
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my music is mostly about -10db, sometimes a bit louder sometimes a bit lower.
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UnderTow
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Posted : Aug 27, 2007 20:14
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It really depends on the mix. Some mixes can't be pushed beyond -12 dB. Other mixes can be pushed up to close to -5 dB. *evil grin*
But don't worry about RMS levels. Worry about how your mix sounds.
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m4f14b0y
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Posted : Aug 28, 2007 01:34
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i don´t know if i´m right... but i think that the difference between the maximum and minimum RMS on boths tracks stands for how much 'silence' and 'signal' interval wich one have...
and for mastering you should aim on the average RMS power of yout track. Another mastering tip is try to master the track at a higher sampling rate and resolution.
cheers
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presto music
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Posted : Aug 30, 2007 14:59
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On 2007-08-21 05:50, astrotec wrote:
i think people take too much notice of statistics
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totally
use your ears, if you want it LOUD then push it hard through your limiter, hard as you like. It'll soon start to sound like shit, then you can back it off. pretty simple really, don't stress too much mate
peace
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