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Which professional musicians use Fruity Loops Studio
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Spindrift
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Posted : Jan 19, 2005 09:49
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I like the finnish music a lot, and maybe the reason the music sound so inspired many times is that they use fruity.
Soundquality is definatly not the strong side of the finnish music though.
I'm not super fuzzy about sound quality when i judge music, and is not trying to achieve the most slick production myself.
I just think it's crap to say that people don't get really good production with the software because they don't know production, because your music will sound different if you use fruity. If it helps you sound more inspired then stick with it, but there is no denying that it is a lot harder to ahceive something that will sound like good production in most peoples ears.
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Elad
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Posted : Jan 19, 2005 10:18
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On 2005-01-19 09:25, H2O wrote:
if you talk about great Texas Faggots sound production then you do quite know what it about.
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yes - good one!!
my personal opinion - its much better then good inough and music much more intresting then rest...
so... fuck gms production level.. its boring in 100% quality... beside.. again.. who cares? house producers better then psytrance... go to the dome!
i play texas new cd (original not old unmaster mp3 quality from the net...) on turbo sound with 600 pplz... plz look in party review section.. i dont hear complains about sound quality (which was good compare to other artist on same parties - includ parahalu--uv - tul -double rel -u dont suggest they sound bad?)
so.. its 100% doing the job - im happy and so was anyone come to my set  or texas faggot live... - and besides.. its not that im dumm and stuck..
i tried cubase offcourse and sure its not more complicated from fruity just i cant tell the diffrence in "sound quality" as u claim.. may b in levels but that cause fruity set evry channel in -8.2 db as build in... which u can change..
and now i will say my last word for the next months about all these cause its never ending story....
f^%% it - i love fl u love cubase have fun i do too.. and somehow on compilation i dont fall from other projects that use cubase logic reason orion whatever...
and second thing is... as least sounds u put on track u can "fatten" each one more... as proggresive and minimal do..i like 2-3 lead synths at the time and freq range and volume make me to do each one abit thinner... thats what i want!!!
there is always where and what to learn... i'll never say i sound the best but as far as i see after 4 years of cubase orion and fuity - and talking with artist i like their sound - i use fruity AND CUBASE just for u to know.. but rather sequence in fl and mix in cubase..
thats it.
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Elad
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Posted : Jan 19, 2005 10:22
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hey.. the doors aint got the 100% production qulity like sx3... but its psychadelic and good... who care with which tape they recored it? its too much for me im outa here.. artist and soundman are 2 diffrent things ... with home studio waves and all u might confuse em..
but who got the right room for it? just pro studio! no home studio i saw is at level for mix and master... tho its very possible.. i do it too for now... soon not anymore.. i rather trust 13# monitor on "dry" room... www.sattelbattle.com
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H2O
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Posted : Jan 19, 2005 14:58
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Mate please seperate music production from sound production. We talk about sound. Gms have nothing to do with this topic since their sound quality is much much better than any mentioned here acts but music is personal(i don't like). You can't hear difference because you never tried to listen. Make exactly same 30 channels track on both sequencers then you will listen good enough to judge. Sure you can't hear the difference when you mix one channel or listen to different tracks done on both sequencers because listening samples must be identical.
We talk here about noise FL Producer adds to each of the channels. This isn't minor at all, it is major DSP failure. I've tried same tests on sequencers which are free or beta versions of future sequencers but never got same results as from FL Producer.
100% quality is boring? we just triyng to say that FL Producer can't produce 100% if you even try every pissible tool. You like it use it but it has major failure. Seems that you and EYB trying to justify action when it's can't be. |
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faxinadu
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Posted : Jan 19, 2005 17:52
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Spindrift
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Posted : Jan 19, 2005 18:43
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Both me and H20 is talking about the mixing. You can in my experience easily make a few tracks that sound fine together with fruity synths and samplers. But when you use it for mixing many channels the stereo image and kick and bass starts dissappering more and more.
If you mix the tracks in cubase I can very well imagine that you don't get that problem.
Look, I'm not trying to judge anyone using fruity or discuss production vs content.
Im trying to defend people that is using fruity and not getting good sound but want to have good sound.
I just don't know why people react like they do if I tell them that from my experience I percive a clear difference in sound between products like reason, fruity and abelton compared to logic when using many channels of either instruments or audio.
I'm not trying to diss anyone for using software that is IMO inferior sound wise.
Sure you can still make great music with it, and I can also see that they can that they can make you concentrate better on the contents than if using Logic. I said before I would really like to use Abelton as my main sequencer myself, but I just can't get sound out of it like Logic, and that makes it difficult to concentrate on creativity for me personally.
But like H2O said, we are talking about sound, at least so i thought when I read a couple of posts here basically saying that the problem with sound quality is only with the producer.
It seems sometimes that people forget what sound is about in this technical environment.
Good sound seems to be something you do with the use of magical skill and wands called plugins.
Thats never whats production been about.
The modern production environment makes people forget that you also are dealing with instruments, even though virtual.
Anyone can make good sound with a quality guitar or piano.
It's harder on cheap ones though, but a good player can still make an amazing performance on it.
But it can be bad to learn guitar on a bad instrument. You end up like some heavy metal players who practices Yngwee Malmsteen solos all days and have all the technique in the end but no feeling or sound.
Good sound does not contradict inspiration at all.
So don't confuse having good sound with overproducing. Thats different things and releate to creativity in totally different ways.
I do not like when everything is in perfect harmony and super slick in a track.
But I do like when I'm working that the sounds come in clear and the mix sounds deep and i don't need to struggle to get a nice seperation in the sounds.
So I try to use sources and software that don't require that I do a lot of EQ and compression.
To be honest I hardly mix the tracks. I throw the sounds and stick the faders in position roughly and leave it at that.
Weather it sounds ok for people in the end I let them be the judge of and I'm definatly not hoping for the response from someone that "yeah...loved your track, great production". Thats not what you want ppl to remember mostly at least.
Well, whatever you use, I wish you plenty of creativity.
I don't care what you use, and don't think that your music must be bad because you use fruity.
I'm only saying that it sound different if you mix with it.
And thats not releated to your skill, it just does.
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LIGHTAMAN JR
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Posted : Jan 20, 2005 10:12
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http://audiotests.batcave.net/article0001.htm
please read this if you think there is different.... but there is not, sorry.
And about our track they are badly mixed becouse I am not good in mixing, it would be as shit with cubase or sonar or any other soft.
but I been compare my old tracks and new tracks (made with different soft) in stereo spectro and new ones are just much more wide and bigger sound .... I been making with cubase and logic alot of tracks but I would never go to back to them, I just can not make with them as good sound as I get out from FL studio.
if ppl don´t know how to use soft It is not fare to complain the soft out of bad sound.
and with new FL studio You can also make many thing what you never could do with any program before... for exsample with Automation clips you can change form of LFO in real time ... not just speed or depth ... the whole wave form. try to do it with cubase 
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EYB
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Posted : Jan 20, 2005 11:23
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I agree, FL beats them all 
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Spindrift
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Posted : Jan 20, 2005 12:54
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BOM Pepe
Forget that test, it's made with only four tracks truncated to 16 bit and not very thorough. Newer more comprehensive test give other results.
Like I said, I'm not trying to diss fruity and I really like what you and many other is doing with fruity.
But what do you mean with "if ppl don´t know how to use soft It is not fare to complain the soft out of bad sound. "
That kind of arguments start to frustrate me a lot, because no-one who say that has ever been able to give me any hint what I would be doing wrong.
How do I get good sound of fruity, orion or abelton?
What is the secret I'm missing?
I don't think peoples skill change because they change tools, so for me it's really a non argument that the sound quality of a software has to do with the skill of the user.
Thats two separate things.
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faxinadu
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Posted : Jan 20, 2005 13:17
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hmmm
i can read articles all day, see graphs, look at stats - still the fact remains - logic sounds WAY better than fruity when mixing.
Arguing is pointless. Either you hear the difrance or you don't, but it is very much there.
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EYB
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Posted : Jan 20, 2005 13:48
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I would like to try logic but i havn't a mac :|
I gonna remix a track in sx, then ill see if my mix will even better. But even if it is, i like the workflow and i hope if there are lacks in quality image line will correct it in next version.
Spindrift i think "if ppl don´t know how to use soft It is not fare to complain the soft out of bad sound. " means maybe that it is easier to get a really good mix with fruity after using it some time and get used to its mixer and the fact that samples are loaded with only 80% volume, and it is not about general mixing skills.
I never used Logic (as i said i have no mac) so it would take me a day or two (maybe less or more) to learn using the soft and mixer to get a proper mix.
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LIGHTAMAN JR
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Posted : Jan 20, 2005 14:04
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Is it you Leo ??
few easy tricks you can make with FL...
is to use Stereo Enhancer in many mixer cannels (even a litel) it realy makes differens. and use bass boost with you bass sounds (80 hz is quite good frq I think). And In Mikser channels there is also This Stereo Separation knop... It also makes big differens in Stereo wideness.
Use many effects in same channel and control them becouse it is easy and powerfull, And remember to pan your sounds around stereo picture. This thing you can make also with other soft but it is so easy to and fast to do with FL, it is just automation heaven.
everybody use what they fell most good for them, and I will also change soft if some one makes better one for me.
I just fell litel cheating becouse I use FL and others not, becouse it fell some time just to easy to get what you want.
and for Live gigs It is just super ... I make like 1,5 hours full beat mixing bottom wav and I leave 15-20 sounds what I can control and play real time on top of that... for me it is just dream.
but anyway most important thing is that ppl Make Music. it realy don´t mutter are they playing guitar, piano, FL or Logic
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Elad
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Posted : Jan 20, 2005 14:42
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On 2005-01-20 12:54, Spindrift wrote:
But what do you mean with "if ppl don´t know how to use soft It is not fare to complain the soft out of bad sound. "
That kind of arguments start to frustrate me a lot, because no-one who say that has ever been able to give me any hint what I would be doing wrong.
How do I get good sound of fruity, orion or abelton?
What is the secret I'm missing?
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no secret.. it takes myself 4 years and 8-9 long tutorials from the leading mixing engeenirs till i got it... baisicly its as any other program - the right filters the right compressors - stereo image... but keep in mind that compressor attack and realese can ruin the hole mix if u set em wrong...also tresh and ratio... thats not just to use em.. but use em right...
i never say i got it right all the way... but improving all the time.. and btw - hp filter is reccomended for all channels.. even if u cut in 150hz... it leaves space for the bass to come out..
but... if u dont do that in cubase also... it wont sound so good either... same rules apply...
ohh and h20 - cant i just turn off the resample and will not add noise?
pepe - thx for lfo tip!
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Krumelur
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Posted : Jan 20, 2005 17:08
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tip for fl:
try inserting a fruity db meter as the first effect in every mixer track. Now, make sure you are around 0db all the time here (adjusting the volume for the sampler or instrument) and set the mixer fader to whatever sounds good. I use the db meter all the time, for all mixer tracks aswell as master. FL studio WILL peak internally in the mixer otherwise, be sure of it. Have the master db-meter open all the time while working.
Note: this means the _input_ signal to the master (or channel) bus, which is completely separate from the output signal.
Ive tried even the demo songs that come with fl studio and inserted db-meters, to my surprise there are peaks and reds all over the place in every channel. -SUX-
Anyway, this helps lift dynamics and clarity of sounds all the way.
Im quite aware that my earlier work is by no means proper production. That was before I got a pro soundcard, monitors and all that shit..
I promise the new album will be alot better.
About fruity converting all samples to 16-bit is too sucky to even imagine and I cant really accept that.. even if it turns out to be a fact.. placebo
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Spindrift
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Posted : Jan 20, 2005 17:25
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The problem for me with fruity, orion and abelton is normally related to punch in the bass region and stereo image.
It sure makes sense to try to compensate for it in the ways you suggest Pepe, but the reason the kick start dissappering after you add a few tracks can't be that fruity takes away energy in the 80hz region.
@sattle battle
I don't really get anything of what you are saying.
What you are talking about is not at all in anyway related to fruity in specific.
I was not asking for advice how to make better sounding productions in general, but how fruity differs, and I can't se how anything you say relates to that.
@krumelur
I have been thinking that gain structure might be what is being problematic, and you tip makes sense.
I really tried hard to achive perfect gain structure because I suspected that could be a cause why I get inferior sound.Didn't seem to help in abelton at least, but i will keep your advice in mind if I would ever use fruity again.
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