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Rabbitfromdarksaid
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Posted : Mar 3, 2011 20:15:39
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i hope theres no any other topic with this reason...
but, i need some advice... which program is the best to make psy trance?
of course i know theres no "best", i just want some advice... cubase? if cubase.. which? 5? or...
i dont know pls help me  i dont want to waste my time with a wrong software
now, i use reason 5... but i didnt find any content for it here... is it good? or i should change?
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PsiloCybian
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Posted : Mar 3, 2011 20:26
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Rabbitfromdarksaid
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Posted : Mar 3, 2011 20:27
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ohh, no problem with this, i can buy any program... |
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aciduss
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Posted : Mar 3, 2011 20:33
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Music is made by artists not software... so any DAW could serve for the purpose.
Most popular are: FL Studio, Cubase, Logic Pro, Ableton Live, Reason, Acid, Studio One, Reaper, Reason and Renoise.
Each one has its own advantages and disadvantages. In my experience i've found cubase and logic to better suite my needs.
So you need to explore a few and understand their particular work flow (hard to do without actually trying the software) and decide which one you like better.
Compare work flow, native synths and samples, audio playback, render quality, editing tools, specific features, etc.
Good luck man. |
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Rabbitfromdarksaid
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Posted : Mar 3, 2011 20:40
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i just search quality sounding, u know...
may iam in a trap.. a trap of FLAC twisted albums... and i want to use the program which is the closer (in sounding) to the quality of these musics... |
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willsanquil
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Posted : Mar 3, 2011 22:47
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Ableton.
IMO it is the easiest to learn if you have no background in DAW stuff (or at least it was for me, and many others share my opinion)
It's also ridiculously versatile in that you can use it both for performance and in the studio, and it enables workflow options that others can't provide
Also, there's a huge community around it with tons of really great tutorials and walkthroughs.
In terms of quality, Logic, Ableton, Cubase, Reaper all are equal from what I've heard, so its not like you're dumbing down your sound using one over the other.
One of the biggest things for me was finding someone who was able to explain how to use a DAW, as it can be very intimidating when you first open up a fully fledged DAW.
blatant Tom Cosm plug. If you're interested in ableton, google Tom Cosm Vimeo, go to the third page of his Vimeo profile and there is an hour long movie called "Introduction to Digital Audio Production" - without that video, I would not be making music today. No joke.
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aciduss
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Posted : Mar 3, 2011 23:59
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Quality is something very subjective... and every time i type about this i got bashed but for me, nothing beats Logic at sound quality...
It goes something like this ***for me***
Logic Pro > Cubase > Ableton > Reason > FL |
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orange
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Posted : Mar 4, 2011 01:23
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willsanquil
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Posted : Mar 4, 2011 01:29
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yeah, the sound engine from one to the other is not noticeable or significant. You can't listen to a track and say 'oh man, that's so CUBASE right there!'
Native synths and FX are one thing - I've heard logic's synths are much higher quality than a lot of the native synths in other DAWs etc
But as for the sound engine? Doesn't matter.
If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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aciduss
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Posted : Mar 4, 2011 02:29
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I think channel summing works different in every app. I do find the rendered sound characteristic in each one. I have talked to a lot of people and this is what i have concluded...
As I always say... make ur own tests, and conclussions.
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monno
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Posted : Mar 4, 2011 03:11
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There are more than one way to do things and this is also evident in the different audio engines of the different programs. They do sound different to my ears and i personally prefer Logic from a sound and workflow perspective (more open to me) The sound of cubase adding numbers together is different as is ableton and fl (not too happy about the 2 latter ones) There is a lot going on behind the scenes to make music making seem as simple as it does. Adding many tracks together requires some psycho math to round off properly, it´s just that all that has been hidden away from us by a nice GUI. If most people notice no discernible difference between the sound of the most used DAW´s then that´s ok. It will not ruin anybody´s day or music. It´s just that with trained ears and a good listening environment it is possible to tell exactly what DAW it came out of.
Basically choosing one to use is a matter of workflow more than sound as great tracks have been made with all sorts of programs and not suffered much in the process
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supergroover
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Posted : Mar 4, 2011 10:57
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On 2011-03-04 03:11, monno wrote:
There are more than one way to do things and this is also evident in the different audio engines of the different programs. They do sound different to my ears and i personally prefer Logic from a sound and workflow perspective (more open to me) The sound of cubase adding numbers together is different as is ableton and fl (not too happy about the 2 latter ones) There is a lot going on behind the scenes to make music making seem as simple as it does. Adding many tracks together requires some psycho math to round off properly, it´s just that all that has been hidden away from us by a nice GUI. If most people notice no discernible difference between the sound of the most used DAW´s then that´s ok. It will not ruin anybody´s day or music. It´s just that with trained ears and a good listening environment it is possible to tell exactly what DAW it came out of.
Basically choosing one to use is a matter of workflow more than sound as great tracks have been made with all sorts of programs and not suffered much in the process
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Can't remember where but I read a test somewhere where they compared the same music from different daws and nobody could make out any difference really (even professionals that are in the business for a long time). I know it would make more sense with the article  So maybe somebody knows what article i am referring to..
I personally (with my limited experience) don't think it really matters for the quality with which program you produce. It is waaaay more important what you do with it!
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monno
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Posted : Mar 4, 2011 16:12
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It´s really not about comparing the same music through different daws unless that experiment was done with the same full arrangement in each program. It is the way they sum tracks and handle other processing that makes the sound of each individual program subtly different. If i just play the same stereo track through all known DAW´s i really doubt there is a noticable difference. but when listening to full tracks made on different programs there is a discernible difference (it ties into not only summing algo´s but other factors as well) One good way would be to have the same 24 tracks 24bit audio summed by different apps and then comparing the waves to each other. Sounds like fun, but my studio is dismantled due to moving. I will get on that once it´s set up again. Anecdotal evidence only goes so far but empirical observations can be hard to beat provided the listening environment is good enough for the final evaluation.
Still it is much more about what you do, than what you do it with.
Mastering available here:
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 4, 2011 20:08
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yes agree with monno, would not be surprised if they sound slighty different but it could be possible they sound identical, it s not my feeling when using different daw , could be placebo .
test that i have seen and made are just with one track and with volum faders at unity so it s in no way real situation tests .
the summing of many tracks with the volume faders not at unity would be more a real world valid test.
it could be total placebo but i find logic is a bit colored while cubase sound digitaly clean and neutral , always use cubase for mastering while for other stuff i dont care, ilike sound of both but i have the feeling logic sound slighty more warm .(it could be just the color of the interface ,who know lol...)
but with any daw you can get great result, if there is a difference it s a very small one that i doubt will influence the production quality |
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orange
Fat Data
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Posted : Mar 5, 2011 04:42
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they all do sound different... different summing engines take care of that.
the thing is that the changes are subjective to the user and not the quality.
you can sound better in fl than in logic for example not cos fl sounds better but because your workflow during the mixing stage is better suitable in fl for you than in logic etc.
overall the bad difference in quality between apps is so small and insignificant that even an inferior summing engine ( if exists ) can produce ultra high quality output if the user knows to overcome the drawbacks of it.
for example i always prefered fl for its great sound on kicks and bass combos but found it lacking when one to many sounds play in the mix... keeping it more minimal in terms of how many sounds play together in the mix at a time and just use the ones that matter overcomes the issue and produces excellent results.
logic also has that nice kick/bass result thing lke fl and doesnt struggle with busy mixes.. but the workflow is a show stop for me.
and i love cubase but not for trance.
for me ableton sux.
for me its more about the workflow than the tiny if any differences in sound quality. http://www.landmark-recordings.com/
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