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Which note should the subbas have in consideration to the kick?
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Conny
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Posted : Jun 1, 2013 16:29:10
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Hi i watched this tutorial where they sidechained a subbass to a kickdrum.
The note of the subbass (sinewave) was found by using a spectrumgraph,
In the tutorial they found the subbass note where the peak of the kick was. Could this be true? Wouldn´t the subbass interfere with the kick at this frequency?
Im using a free plugin called SPAN plus
and it shows notes in the audiospectrum. |
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Hypereal
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Posted : Jun 1, 2013 17:33
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Use your ears |
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knocz
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Posted : Jun 1, 2013 17:49
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If I use a sub, typically it's played at the same note one octave below the bass. You can do other things, just do as Hypereal said and use your ears.
Now, the bass note regarding the kick has been discussed many times here. If you play them in the same key then the most probable is the kick will also be an octave below the bass on the same note, playing at the same frequency as the sub - and you can use this to your advantage.
Well, if you enhanced (slight EQ) the kick sub frequency, and the sub bass, than they will be fighting for it - however if you sidechain them (and or guaranty that the kick and bass never play at the same time with precise sample manipulation / MIDI notes and envelope settings / sidechainning, then you can make the sub frequencies energy flow (or glue) together in one constant groove. If they aren't playing at the same time, than there's little fight.
Having this in attention, experiment! Nevertheless, it's great that you had this potential frequency collision into account - so manipulate the sound signals so it sounds good and seems "musically correct" for you to do.
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Conny
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Posted : Jun 2, 2013 09:28
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knocz, it really worked with layering a subbass one octave below the bassline. It gave my song that sub it needed, but is it true that the subbass should be in same frequency as the kick? Im not saying that your wrong im just curious! |
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makus
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Posted : Jun 2, 2013 10:13
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On 2013-06-01 16:29:10, Conny wrote:
they sidechained a subbass to a kickdrum. |
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No, it is sidechained to kick, so it wont.
-1 oct is a good starting point (and i would say in most cases the finish line too  )
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Jun 4, 2013 14:02
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On 2013-06-02 10:13, makus wrote:
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On 2013-06-01 16:29:10, Conny wrote:
they sidechained a subbass to a kickdrum. |
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No, it is sidechained to kick, so it wont.
-1 oct is a good starting point (and i would say in most cases the finish line too )
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Agree with this: usually solves the problem to go one octave below. This doesn't always sound the best, I think it's maybe because the Kick doesn't read as a precise pitch sometimes, and some minor tweaking will be needed. I don't always go with a pure sine wave though, just experiment. Sometimes triangle waves are quite nice for this to. |
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