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Which effect or effect chain to use on each individual track?
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Soul's Alien
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Posted : Dec 5, 2010 00:31:39
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Hi guys, I just been trhough many books and tutorials on the internet. Which actually helped me a lot. I just can admit i'm on progress. 
But as I am not a master on mixing, I'd would like to check with you all about some techniques used on individual MULTITRACKS.
1) I have 26 bounced individual tracks.
Drum kit (snares, kick, hh and so on)),Bass, Leads, Vocals, Percussion and Fx.
My question is: Which would be the right effect or effect chain to apply to each individual track?
I do know the reality about "pratice" is the solution, but if I knonw the right effect, it would be REALLY handy.
2) What exactly effect to apply as a send fx and for what?
"I know some reverb as a send for drum kit have been used for decades and it does work quite well".
If I get any help I would really appeciate and dedicate myself to create even more songs to make we all crazies.
Thank you Isratrance Team
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orange
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Posted : Dec 5, 2010 01:02
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Soul's Alien
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Posted : Dec 5, 2010 01:10
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the only really standard plug is a parametric eq.
the rest are just user preferable.
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Should I apply it to all elements ? and how that works?
Want to know more producer's preference.
I have figured out ways to mix psy but I was just curious as to what anybody else's strategies or perspectives were when it comes to mixing psytrance
Let's get deep on it!
Cheers
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supergroover
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Posted : Dec 5, 2010 11:48
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On all tracks except kick & bass: eq the lows out and add a suitable reverb for its purpose.
Maybe:
distortion
delay
compression (before reverb/ delay or after)
whatever else you want to add to get the sound you want.
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Zero-Blade
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Posted : Dec 5, 2010 12:11
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Every artist has a different workflow. For example, some people group different sounds together and eq them all at once, I usually eq every sound alone, but that's just my preference. There are no 'standarts' on which fx to use on which sound, depends on what sound you're going after.
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Dec 5, 2010 12:33
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On 2010-12-05 01:10, Soul's Alien wrote:
Let's get deep on it!
Cheers
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Do not expect too much here.This kind of question is often here.The last time a few days ago,the same sort of question.Seems like the most don't care much about it.
I would eq almost all if needed.With extreme settings often too.Mostly I read it here the other way,light settings on eq maybe boosts with 1 db or 2.I have another opinion - if needed raise or lower it even extreme,your ear will tell you how high or how low.
IF it dont tell you than it does not make any sense to eq at all.
For Aux Sends :reverbs,delays,modulation effects;flanger,phasor,chorus etc
For inserts : dynmics; eq,gate,compressor etc
I heard your mixes but only with laptop speakers so far,but the composition is very good imo.
Keep at it Soul Alien.Good tracks.
also aux send - for what .
If you dont want to replace your sound with an effect but add an effect to the sound than use aux send.
That's it.
So delay and reverb makes big sense mostly.Eq on aux send would not make a big sense at all,you want to replace the whole signal with your new eq settings therefore you would like to insert an eq.Because insert is pre fader.
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Dv2
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Posted : Dec 5, 2010 22:12
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If I correctly understand your question, it is the equivalent of asking "When I turn on the TV, what buttons on the remote control should I press in what order?"
There*s no answer to the question, because we don*t know what you wanna watch or if you feel like turning the volume up. It depends on what you want.
What FX you put on the individual tracks depends on what FX they need. If the bass is perfect from the beginning and miraculously doesn*t clash with the kick, there is absolutely no need to EQ it. Depending on the soundsource and position in the frequency spectrum, however, you might need some EQ to clean up the sound or give each sound its own place in the mix.
The same is true, of course, for more creative effects like Delay. We can*t tell you where to put it, because it depends on your sounds on your composition. Maybe, for a particular song, you end up using no delay at all?
You should learn what all the FX do/how to use them. Then it will become apparent to you, which effect you NEED for this and WANT for that, depending on the situation. The only thing you*ll probably always want is a channel with a highpass-filter (around 20-30Hz) or something similiar. You can route everything else through this channel to keep your low end clean. It*s also useful to have several delays (long/short, whatever),phaser, flanger on your send channels, but how/if you use them is your artistic "responsibilty" |
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elastic_plastic
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Posted : Dec 5, 2010 23:38
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very well said Dv2
surely with u on tht!!
and bro youtube is your friend.... u can get to noe a lot of things from dere!! |
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aciduss
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Posted : Dec 5, 2010 23:55
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Maybe it can help if you think fo your DAW as a traditional mixing board in which most of the channels feature an eq, maybe compressor and send fx buses to many of the most used fx like, delay, reverb, phaser, flanger, compressor, etc...
You can even use channel strip vsts like waves ssl or api, there are several channel strip emulations of old famous mixing boards.
Also there is Izotope Alloy
http://www.izotope.com/products/audio/alloy/
Which features various dynamic oriented fx.
Somtimes you need nothing than the daw's basic eq.
Hope it helps, gl hf |
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orange
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Posted : Dec 6, 2010 01:58
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ok OK... i will spit my secrets to the public...
i use..
eq
reverb
mono delay
stereo delay
compressor
limiter
camels
nitro
flanger
phaser
multi fx
gate
sequence gate
chorus
distortion
degrader
crusher
vocoder
panner
low pass filter
high pass filter
band pass filter
multi filter
and in no particular order...
i dont want to be a smartass but asking a question like this and wanted to go deeper.. is useless.
you need to find your chain of fx for the particular job.
exept eq everything else is just user preferable as i told already.
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snowdogg
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Posted : Dec 6, 2010 02:35
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From the Soundcloud account.
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""Leonardo A. also known at psytrance music scene as Soul's Alien
Leonardo started to use computers at very young age, and soon after he discovered the world of electronic music and started programming by using software such Cubase, Logic and Ableton Live.
At the age of 22 years old he discovered eletronic music and got more involved in trance music, sound designing and production, then started playing as a DJ in Barcelona, Spain.
Started to take piano lesson and learn music theory at the age of 24 and few years later began to study music production in Cambridge, England.
Since then, Soul's Alien has been playing and circulating the U.K global psychedelic scene for the last five years, playing and tuning in people to his own unique style of oscillating, squelchy, synthesised blues/jazz psychedelia.
He has captured quite a following of party people over these years. His live project is a highly original, hallucinogenic voyage through the synthesised world of sound. He has spent the last 7 months travelling to promote his project and has recently played in Brazil where he was welcomed with great response for his quality of production and his refreshing new style of psychedelic sound.
Over the next months he planning his return to Europe and dealing with parties's manager to perform in places like Malaga, Barcelona, Bristol and London to help promote the release of his first album, Area 51.
This first album will be set to wake up the dance floor, a different vision of reality, a journey to new sensations, full fat bass lines, charmed melodies that pass to nervous tones, and noisy sounds, that take us to a fly, to new perspectives and dimensions of sound. This will get the dust flying on the dance floors whilst still enhancing the listener into a positive mind set.""
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I dont buy it..
Hes Studyed music production and toured the last five years in differant countrys WOWing ppl everywhere..
but cant set up an effect chain???? |
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snowdogg
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Posted : Dec 6, 2010 02:38
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The only track that impressed me there was the DJ set,!..
and thats not YOUR music, correct?? |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Dec 6, 2010 06:47
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Okej first i wanna ask you a question Soul's Alien, Whats up with "Kamikaze Cells *new*" which has the bass and kick in the left speaker only and open hat in the right speaker, some kind of beatles mixing going on?  also the track "Cirque du Freak" which has bass and kick in the right speaker??
So firstly lets talk about panning and where its most usual to put them sounds(cause really i have nothing against avantgarde art and innovative mixing)
True mono is another discussion, for now we only speak about left, middle and right. And this is not discussion about different sound FX which might involve stereo panning or stereo delays or whatever.
1. Kick = in the center. Be it mono or stereo, but equal volume if so on both channels, best is mono i think, as it also means smaller file size.
2. Bass, either mono or stereo depending on what you are after. but remember that too much stereo separation can cause problems and you cant tell direction of very low freqs anyway. So you can always make a copy of the bass and highpass the part which you want to add stereo FX to and lowpass the original which is dead center.(at the point where you highpass of course)
3. Percussion can be panned very freely, but the Snaredrum often sounds best in middle(center), especially if you have one with a lot of meat in.
I also like open hats to be in center, but its up for experimentation of course. what sounds good is good, at least from a listening view, there can be other problems such as phasing and anti alasing, DC offset which can be hard to spot at first or at all with out closer look to the waveform. But thats another story.
4. Leads, often you have some leads going on, either changing between each other or complementing, its often the case that one is more center and complementing is around, from left or right. all to make room so you can hear it all clear.
I think this is enough cause rest is really up to your self and what you want to do, the only real important is that you keep the kick and bass pretty much in center, but like i said bass is nice in stereo with chorus on or stereo delay, some people even have a left and right copy which they offset with some ms to create a chours like effect.
Now for you signal chains. just to give an example on how you can do it. Lets say for a bass for this. And you really cant give any hard and fast advice cause you can go so many ways and experiment with so many things and different sounds. But
EQ - lets say highpass at 12dB/oct but if you want more try 24dB/oct
Compress, classical 4:1 ration, threshold set to how much you want it to compress, often just a little is best(many people use make up gain to boost the sound)
EQ(more surgical or maybe if you want some LP/high freq cutting cause the compression gave too much presence.
To be honest here i often use especially on bass, Somekind of distortion, just a bit to give both presence and bite, also i will use maybe some kind of Tube Compressor to give warmth especially to progressive kind of basses. And i will sometimes use chorus also for those basses... But really you can experiment with lots of FX.
With lots of EQ, especially highpassing you can gain more loudness from the sounds as low freq takes alot of bandwith and needs more energy. Its an illusion you are after, the illusion that its loud, but its only the case that you take away some energy so you can play it louder as its more easier to perceive high freq sounds than low, low freq sounds need to be much louder compared to high freq sounds to be understood as same loudness.
So its a good thing to highpass sounds that you really dont need any lowfreq content from cause it wont be heard anyway.. But as with everything its a balance, in minimal mixes where there are few elements you can´t go around highpassing sounds casue it will sound strange, but with a busy mix and in fast tempo you can easy highpass hihats, openhats and leads very much, sometimes over 400hz of course depending on the slope(6dB/oct, 12, 24, 36, 48) 48dB/oct will remove everything, with such highpass setting.
well there is a whole science behind EQ and compressors and also other FX so take some time and learn, im still learning everyday. thanks to the internet, this forum and other forums, and also books.. and Of course EXPERIMENTING!!
And remember if you use too much EQ without listening and thinking what you want to achieve you will most often come out with an artificial mix that will either miss lowend or mid or highs... a balance of all is equally important and its a struggle we all have to deal with all the time, at least if you want to always create something new and not work from a standard set of sounds.
I hope if i told things that is not correct that someone will fill in the gaps or explain what i told wrong. otherwise just go experiment and be sound wise 
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Freeflow
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Posted : Dec 6, 2010 07:41
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i must add that sometimes its not favorable to highpass the bass or kick too much cause it might sound very good with that low meat and you just have to accept that and not boost the shit out of the track and instead keep it very organic, then its more about the feel of the track and you mix accordingly.
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Soul's Alien
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Posted : Dec 6, 2010 12:28
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First I would like to thank everyone for their initiative and dedicated time for more explanations. Especially Mr. FREEFLOW, TIMETRAVELLER , ZERO-BLADE, DV2, ORANGE, ACIDUSS, SUPERGROOVER, Elastic_plastic and the fourum's c.l.e.v.e.r.e.s.t member "snowdogg" who I guess don't understand english very well.
Have a great and peaceful week all of you.
I really mean all of you!
Cheers!
Soul's Alien
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