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a3k
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Posted : Oct 3, 2005 15:25
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On 2005-10-03 13:52, DiogoGomes wrote:
What??How can we have serious conversations with a moderator writting stuff like this...Trance is all about music - not drugs!!
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now i know u havenīt read all the posts i have written.
and i know i am being crucificated for not having me explained in a good way.but if u can read the whole posts again, then u will understand what i have tried 2 say.u will see that i was refering 2 the "word" psychedelic - and itīs origins and meanings.
have a nice day.
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a3k
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Posted : Oct 3, 2005 15:33
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On 2005-10-03 14:12, Lithium wrote:
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On 2005-10-03 13:52, DiogoGomes wrote:
What??How can we have serious conversations with a moderator writting stuff like this...Trance is all about music - not drugs!!
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i donīt think you have read carefully what A3k wrote, or tried to say.
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thx lithium.. i am glad someone did actually read the posts i made.
the thing is that i may have not explained the way i wanted.
and in the moment i didnīt made myself fully understood, i got crucificated  ... |
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sy000321
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Posted : Oct 3, 2005 16:06
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what i've learning in this psychedlic trance ghetto is that is too easy to be missunderstood and/or having or words (even when your well intentioned) thrown agaisnt you.
i keep my point of view that most of the times the people complaining about what the scene hs become are also responsible for the damage being done.
the "golden days" aren't coming back but i think many years of enjoyment are still yet to come.
roll a joint or STFU :) |
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sy000321
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Posted : Oct 3, 2005 16:12
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On 2005-10-03 07:52, KiloWatts wrote:
But yes... in my experience, the only way to truly "do it" is to do it with a small group of people (100-300 people), illegally (in a field or desert somewhere), and FREE.
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here in portugal free partys are harder to come by because the authorities are "hunting" those organizers.
i've been in too many events were someone got a PA, cdjs and some decoration and after 1/2 hours the police are shutting everything down and threatning with arrests and aprehesion of equipment.
so, the last resort are legal partyes but to make a party legal fees have to be paid so an entrance has to be charged. and if entrys are charged then djs and artists want a cut of the entrys and then begins the wars between organizers and djs an so on...
roll a joint or STFU :) |
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krokolv
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Posted : Oct 3, 2005 17:30
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On 2005-10-03 15:25, a3k wrote:
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On 2005-10-03 13:52, DiogoGomes wrote:
What??How can we have serious conversations with a moderator writting stuff like this...Trance is all about music - not drugs!!
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now i know u havenīt read all the posts i have written.
and i know i am being crucificated for not having me explained in a good way.but if u can read the whole posts again, then u will understand what i have tried 2 say.u will see that i was refering 2 the "word" psychedelic - and itīs origins and meanings.
have a nice day.
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I think everyone understood that a3k was giving the definition of the "trance" word. Only who didn't wanted ... And is better to to talk about the drug problem and give a honest opinion, because trance partys and music are and were related to drugs , either you and me and everyone else like it or not. |
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sy000321
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Posted : Oct 3, 2005 17:32
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On 2005-10-03 17:30, krokolv wrote:
the drug problem
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what drug problem? as long as there's enough for everyone 
joao
roll a joint or STFU :) |
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KiloWatts
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Posted : Oct 3, 2005 18:25
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At no time did I say that drugs were necessary in order to have a great experience at a psytrance party, but there is no doubt that the combination of psychedelic entheogens and psytrance creates a powerful and unique experience that has changed thousands of peoples' lives. For a large majority, this combination is the reason that people have become attracted to the experience. And who could blame them? It *is* a powerful, unique, and life changing experience!
Humans have been taking psychedelic drugs and dancing, drumming, singing, and partying since the beginning of time. It's a million-year-old ritual, and the very reason that I personally love it.
Just think, here we are in 2005, and we're *still* doing it... we're still able to have these experiences - as responsible working adults - to do this on a regular basis, and learn how to make this place better.
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On 2005-10-03 16:12, sy000321 wrote:
here in portugal free partys are harder to come by because the authorities are "hunting" those organizers.
i've been in too many events were someone got a PA, cdjs and some decoration and after 1/2 hours the police are shutting everything down and threatning with arrests and aprehesion of equipment.
so, the last resort are legal partyes but to make a party legal fees have to be paid so an entrance has to be charged. and if entrys are charged then djs and artists want a cut of the entrys and then begins the wars between organizers and djs an so on...
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Ah yes, this sounds like a problem indeed. There is an easy solution though. The cops are 'hunting' you? This means you've just got to get far far away to do it. You've got to practice the art of invisibility, you've got to have smaller parties with more responsible people... You've got to practice the art of building a mental shield against that system of control, and you've got to have the right kind of people with you that understand the same thing. You can't do it in public, in the eye of the law, or anywhere near it...
There is a book called Temporary Autonomous Zone by an author named Hakim Bey who describes in great detail the nature of these events, the goals of such gatherings, and how to eliminate cops and "agents of control" from them. You can actually read it for free here: http://www.hermetic.com/bey/taz_cont.html
But the key principle is *invisibility*.
It may seem difficult, but it is always possible - but you must be surrounded by educated individuals, and not irresponsible show-offs who want to attract attention, or rebelliously flaunt themselves.
Anyway, good luck to you, and keep creating those moments! |
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sy000321
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Posted : Oct 3, 2005 18:28
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On 2005-10-03 18:25, KiloWatts wrote:
It may seem difficult, but it is always possible - but you must be surrounded by educated individuals, and not irresponsible show-offs who want to attract attention, or rebelliously flaunt themselves.
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i'll surelly look at your reading sugestion.
sometimes it's very hard to combine those elements you described 
still, free partyes still exist here in portugal, mostly in less batered zones or more inacessible areas but i haven't been in one for years.
joao
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KiloWatts
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Posted : Oct 3, 2005 18:32
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On 2005-10-03 18:28, sy000321 wrote:
sometimes it's very hard to combine those elements you described
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Yeah, I'm personally very far from learning how to implement these things fully into my life, but I do believe in them, and if I'm able to convey the ideas to individuals who have more ability to put them into action, then at least it's doing some good. |
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sy000321
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Posted : Oct 3, 2005 18:36
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On 2005-10-03 18:32, KiloWatts wrote:
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On 2005-10-03 18:28, sy000321 wrote:
sometimes it's very hard to combine those elements you described
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Yeah, I'm personally very far from learning how to implement these things fully into my life, but I do believe in them, and if I'm able to convey the ideas to individuals who have more ability to put them into action, then at least it's doing some good.
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there was this guy who said a revolution needs both thinkers and thugs  were thugs were the ones able to put things into action
your doing it the right way, mate, being a thinker and spreading knowledge the right way
joao
roll a joint or STFU :) |
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DiogoGomes
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Posted : Oct 3, 2005 20:12
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because trance partys and music are and were related to drugs , either you and me and everyone else like it or not.
No they donīt...sorry mate..i work with this kind of music for some time and i can say that fortunately there are many pple envolved in this scene (djīs/promoters/artists...etc) that doesnīt relate this music with drugs...to tell you the true Iīm even ashamed that the kind of music i love so much have a so strong connection with drugs for the ones who are not in the scene.And by the way...isnīt it in the guidelines "no drugs related topics"??
Letīs talk more about music an less about the things who definately are ruining this scene. |
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a3k
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Posted : Oct 3, 2005 20:59
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On 2005-10-03 14:56, sy000321 wrote:
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On 2005-10-03 13:45, a3k wrote:
wish i can link u 2 online books also concerning psychedelic.
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please do that.
the best i've ever read was the classic "doors of perception" from aldous huxley. i think it can also be DL from somewhere...
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here is a thread i started not long time ago.and later will ty 2 start a new thread with some interesting reading.
http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/47438/forum/1/start/0 ... |
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mica
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Posted : Oct 4, 2005 04:06
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fucking chillout , portuguese posts are all the same what a fuckin joke , confrontation is unevitable but you guys take it to the extreme , lack of something and to much of another , balance your shit out !
i love drugs , ill listen to fullon but dance all night to progressive, and i love cod fish and red wine and i like to blow big farts under my sheets and smell my own farts and i love drugs ,, so did i piss anyone off , did i say something that shows my ingnorance of trance, do i sound to crazy
fuck ya !!
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pavi
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Posted : Oct 4, 2005 09:02
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On 2005-10-03 13:35, a3k wrote:
thx 4 understanding what i said.
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Que?
I didnt understand what you said, and you obviously didnt get me either. What relevance does the WORD have? Do you honestly trust encyclopedias and dictionaries to define 'psychedelic'? If you really wanna go deep, check the greek/latin root of psyche-delos, to open the mind, but even that simply: does not matter!
Your stance on drugs still makes me believe you should, as a moderator, keep quiet about it. I find it sad that people are afraid to go psychedelic without the substance, never mind saying that it is impossible!
Right on Diego Gomes (Feed Me), much respect.
This thread reminds me of why the Portugal section was closed in the first place...
Within this timeless gathering,
a shining light does dance,
lost from conscious memory,
but visible in trance!
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Lithium
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Posted : Oct 4, 2005 10:20
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what are you talkin about pavi?
what relevance does the word have? thats a3k business as he was the one that was talkin about it. everyone can give his opinion about the subject, some people might want to talk about these aspects other people about those aspects but no one can censore anyone like that, and just because he is a moderator with all the responsability it carries he is free to give his opinion.
besides and most important in the guidelines it says no topics related to drugs it DOES NOT say that if it comes to the subject drug talking is tabu!!! and everyone should pretend it does not exist!!
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