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a3k
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Posted : Oct 3, 2005 10:56
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sorry 2 correct u pavi but a psychedelic party/experience can´t b made without psychotropics/chemicals..thix is where the word cames from.how can u have a psychedelic experience without it?
made a search on an online dictionary and camed 2 thix:
psichedelic: "designative of the psychic state, which results from the absortion of hallucinogenics;
relative 2 the art concieved under thix state.
in portuguese also - "designativo do estado psíquico que resulta da absorção de alucinogénios;
relativo à arte concebida sob este estado."
so kind goes against of what u stated..now u can say u can go 2 a party and have fun without "nothing"induced.that suits more your idea.    ... |
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sy000321
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Posted : Oct 3, 2005 11:23
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On 2005-10-03 10:56, a3k wrote:
sorry 2 correct u pavi but a psychedelic party/experience can´t b made without psychotropics/chemicals..thix is where the word cames from.how can u have a psychedelic experience without it?
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yes you can, music alone is enough to produce a psychedelic experience...
roll a joint or STFU :) |
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pavi
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Posted : Oct 3, 2005 12:20
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On 2005-10-03 10:56, a3k wrote:
sorry 2 correct u pavi but a psychedelic party/experience can´t b made without psychotropics/chemicals..thix is where the word cames from.how can u have a psychedelic experience without it?
made a search on an online dictionary and camed 2 thix:
psichedelic: "designative of the psychic state, which results from the absortion of hallucinogenics;
relative 2 the art concieved under thix state.
in portuguese also - "designativo do estado psíquico que resulta da absorção de alucinogénios;
relativo à arte concebida sob este estado."
so kind goes against of what u stated..now u can say u can go 2 a party and have fun without "nothing"induced.that suits more your idea.
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Man you are a moderator of a psy forum? Did you read the guidelines? The reason drug talk is not encouraged is also because it is NOT an essential part of this scene...
now go back to your encyclopedias and reference books, second-hand knowledge, maybe one day you will have a real personal psychedelic experience, a satori perhaps, that did not come from a lab.
Within this timeless gathering,
a shining light does dance,
lost from conscious memory,
but visible in trance!
www.alchemyrecords.co.uk |
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pavi
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Posted : Oct 3, 2005 12:27
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Sorry if I came across a lil harsh, I am just sick and tired of this childish attitude that psychedelia has to be drug induced...please do some real research, the gurus, the learys etc. Most will tell you the drug can give you a glimpse, but it will only take you so far...
An amazing sunset can be a psychedelic experience...
Btw: please excuse my bending the guidelines on 'rugs mods. Within this timeless gathering,
a shining light does dance,
lost from conscious memory,
but visible in trance!
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a3k
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Posted : Oct 3, 2005 13:35
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On 2005-10-03 12:20, pavi wrote:
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On 2005-10-03 10:56, a3k wrote:
sorry 2 correct u pavi but a psychedelic party/experience can´t b made without psychotropics/chemicals..thix is where the word cames from.how can u have a psychedelic experience without it?
made a search on an online dictionary and camed 2 thix:
psichedelic: "designative of the psychic state, which results from the absortion of hallucinogenics;
relative 2 the art concieved under thix state.
in portuguese also - "designativo do estado psíquico que resulta da absorção de alucinogénios;
relativo à arte concebida sob este estado."
so kind goes against of what u stated..now u can say u can go 2 a party and have fun without "nothing"induced.that suits more your idea.
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Man you are a moderator of a psy forum? Did you read the guidelines? The reason drug talk is not encouraged is also because it is NOT an essential part of this scene...
now go back to your encyclopedias and reference books, second-hand knowledge, maybe one day you will have a real personal psychedelic experience, a satori perhaps, that did not come from a lab.
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thx 4 understanding what i said.
i may have not been 2 explicit.
and i tried 2 reply on a very educated way..
1st - i am not praising 4 drugs..i was only trying 2 explain 2 u..that the word (the origin of the word, u refered) what does it mean, it was a case of where the word came.got it? the word itself.
not the party or the situation, the "word" and if u can make a little search on those second hand books u refered 2 me, or psychedelic experience by thimothy leary (or others if u wish)..see the naked truth of what the "word" means. - the word - please go 2 an online dictionary and see what is written.please so. - the word - ... |
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a3k
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Posted : Oct 3, 2005 13:45
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On 2005-10-03 12:27, pavi wrote:
Sorry if I came across a lil harsh, I am just sick and tired of this childish attitude that psychedelia has to be drug induced...please do some real research, the gurus, the learys etc. Most will tell you the drug can give you a glimpse, but it will only take you so far...
An amazing sunset can be a psychedelic experience...
Btw: please excuse my bending the guidelines on 'rugs mods.
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no problema.
and as u can see i explained what i tried 2 say.maybe my english did not took me on good way of saying it.
and don´t worry i made a little few searches.i read a lot of good books and if u wish i can link u 2 online books also concerning psychedelic.
i do worry about what i do/think.
see ya.
once more i am sorry for i didn´t made myself fully understand what i tried 2 say.
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a3k
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Posted : Oct 3, 2005 13:46
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On 2005-10-03 10:56, a3k wrote:
sorry 2 correct u pavi but a psychedelic party/experience can´t b made without psychotropics/chemicals..thix is where the word cames from.how can u have a psychedelic experience without it?
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yes you can, music alone is enough to produce a psychedelic experience...
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yes it is.scientific studies show that when u are exposed at least 2 20/30 minuts of the same repetitive sounds can put u in some kind of trance state.
(i explained in the post above what i meant).
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DiogoGomes
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Posted : Oct 3, 2005 13:50
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making little psychedelic masterpieces for lsd-minded people to use as a medium for learning how to change the world.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but a psychedelic trance party is supposed to be about taking psychedelic drugs and dancing. Am I right?
Are you serious???
You don´t need any drugs to listen to this kind of musics - and maybe if you need them ,maybe you are in this scene for the wrong reasons.
By the way - i don´t think that taking Lsd or any other chemical will help you to change the world.
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DiogoGomes
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Posted : Oct 3, 2005 13:52
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sorry 2 correct u pavi but a psychedelic party/experience can´t b made without psychotropics/chemicals..thix is where the word cames from.how can u have a psychedelic experience without it?
What??How can we have serious conversations with a moderator writting stuff like this...Trance is all about music - not drugs!! |
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Lithium
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Posted : Oct 3, 2005 13:59
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i don´t think that you must take drugs for any psychedelic experience but the very true is that from the ancient begging of the term psychedelic and trance it has always been related to psychedelic drugs, and psychedelic drugs that HAVE NOT been taken out of any lab.
now if people misunderstand the difference between drugs and the bad use some people give them thats another story.
but to say psycedelic and trance has nothing to do with drugs thats funny indeed. saying that people who take drugs are in the scene for the wrong reasons thats foolish in my opinion. drugs have always been connected to the psy trance culture.
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Posted : Oct 3, 2005 14:07
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You have some serious issues here.
Well one of the main problems of this, was when "the public" started to treat artists like, goa gods, shamanic messenger, bla, bla..
Eventually it got to the artists heads, and their inflating egos.
Some of them became arrogant and demanding.
As for the money, one should separate the party promoting business, from the scene itself.
Some are pros, some just aren't.
Some give you good conditions, spend money and time and effort not thinking in the big bucks, but some just don’t care.
I totally agree that people should be wise and carefully choose the good ones from the
bad ones.
But I came to realize that most people arriving at the scene nowadays are not so wise, and just use the parties to get loaded, in a weekly basis.
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Well, I know so many artists, and so many people that are not lsd-minded.
People who love trance, from the very beginning of the scene.
It’s definitely not about drugs.
Take for example, the Flow-Records compilation “non toxic Frequencies”.
The name says it all.
Drug usage is you own personal choice, it’s not something generalized.
I used drugs on Boom97, 98, 2000 and ok I admit also in 2002.
But boom 2004 was “clean” to me, and it was the best one imo.
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Well to me is about dancing, and hear music I enjoy.
I used to use psychoactive drugs, but not anymore.
I’m not more of a “trancer” then the people who use, or the opposite; it’s simply a matter of choice.
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Lithium
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Posted : Oct 3, 2005 14:12
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On 2005-10-03 13:52, DiogoGomes wrote:
What??How can we have serious conversations with a moderator writting stuff like this...Trance is all about music - not drugs!!
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come on diogo, trance is something that describes a state of mind way before trance "music" appeared. i don´t think you have read carefully what A3k wrote, or tried to say.
i think trance music is about music, trance is about a state of mind that is more easily achiveable through the use drugs.
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sy000321
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Posted : Oct 3, 2005 14:32
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On 2005-10-03 10:56, a3k wrote:
sorry 2 correct u pavi but a psychedelic party/experience can´t b made without psychotropics/chemicals..thix is where the word cames from.how can u have a psychedelic experience without it?
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yes you can, music alone is enough to produce a psychedelic experience...
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yes it is.scientific studies show that when u are exposed at least 2 20/30 minuts of the same repetitive sounds can put u in some kind of trance state.
(i explained in the post above what i meant).
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sorry, didn't understand you then.
btw, i think going to a party sober is better than otherwise not that i've done it recentlye 
roll a joint or STFU :) |
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sy000321
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Posted : Oct 3, 2005 14:48
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On 2005-10-03 13:52, DiogoGomes wrote:
What??How can we have serious conversations with a moderator writting stuff like this...Trance is all about music - not drugs!!
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come on diogo, trance is something that describes a state of mind way before trance "music" appeared. i don´t think you have read carefully what A3k wrote, or tried to say.
i think trance music is about music, trance is about a state of mind that is more easily achiveable through the use drugs.
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according to psychologists we're on trance at least twice a day: before we wake up and before e fall a sleep (twice a day if you sleep daily ) so it is the easiest thing to do if you're not insomniac.
drugs should be opening our senses to new stuff and experiments that otherwise wouldn't be at our reach, but what i've seen is almost always the otherwise...
the goal should be the experience, not the drug itself...
roll a joint or STFU :) |
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sy000321
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Posted : Oct 3, 2005 14:56
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On 2005-10-03 13:45, a3k wrote:
wish i can link u 2 online books also concerning psychedelic.
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please do that.
the best i've ever read was the classic "doors of perception" from aldous huxley. i think it can also be DL from somewhere...
roll a joint or STFU :) |
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