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Spasm
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Posted : Sep 30, 2005 15:09
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my thoughts exactly.. |
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Spasm
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Posted : Sep 30, 2005 16:27
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ok getting back to the subject, i think that the responsabilitie to "educate" the new generations of trancers, is from the promoters.
I mean, the first promoters (Goodmood, Hipnose)always gave us ecletic choices, (more or less).
But about portuguese artists, only in about 2000 did anyone started do produce anything, when the scene already was big, with big names getting even bigger..
Just about that time, some promoters disapeared, and new ones came, but some of them keep strict to a formula that gives them a guarantee of a sucessfull party, bringing the same big names all the time causing the scene to slowly detiriorate (i speak for myself of course).
To me, that shows lack of iniciative or risk (the same with booking portuguese).
But i guess this is a national problem altogether..
I think its the promoters job to keep you up to date with the new sounds, new artists, portuguese or not, and sometimes i think that this just doesn't happen anymore.
to sy000321:
i really think you are a smart guy, just don't loose your temper on me, never gave you reasons for that, just give your opinion, i give mine.
You can quote me anytime, disagree with me anytime, that's how things work in a comunitie.
Just dont be agressive without a reason.
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a3k
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Posted : Sep 30, 2005 16:41
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On 2005-09-30 16:27, Spasm wrote:
But about portuguese artists, only in about 2000 did anyone started do produce anything
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yes it is true, and was about thix year (on boom 2000)that the 1st live act was introduced on a festival..specially made on purpose 2 act on the festival, since back then some people do worried about bringing national products 2 perform!
ps: what a sunny day 
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sy000321
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Posted : Sep 30, 2005 17:21
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On 2005-09-30 16:27, Spasm wrote:
ok getting back to the subject, i think that the responsabilitie to "educate" the new generations of trancers, is from the promoters.
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i disagree completly... trancers have the responsability to educate themselves. knowledge and understanding has to be sought for you can't expect to be taught but you'll have to strive to learn.
as i said before, partyes aren't public service, they are enterprises with rights and responsabilities and so they are behaving like ones.
i don't say that it is right or wrong. i'm just telling you about the reality. neither i say that there's a good or bad way of doing things.
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But about portuguese artists, only in about 2000 did anyone started do produce anything, when the scene already was big, with big names getting even bigger..
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not. not really. many portuguese producers started producing trance before 2000, not as many as there are now, but many did.
the trance public is a vast one. i'm part of that public but i might have a different opinion, can't i?
i don't think the full-on public is worst or better than the progressive one (like many have expressed here) and i got to partyes of both styles, wich some don't and just come here and critisize what they don't know, maybe it's that lousy superiority complex they got from goa. lol
i can not speak for the whole public but i can understand it's tastes and how things are evolving, it's all about being part of something and having you're eyes open wich is something everyone can do too, if instead of spending time with dumb criticisms they spend some time understanding and learning the facts.
line-ups are usually known before the party, you get what you paid for, that's the only thing you have to complain about.
what this scene needs is not critics about x or y situation but people willing to make things better. roll a joint or STFU :) |
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Lithium
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Posted : Sep 30, 2005 19:14
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i haven´t read the whole posts here cause it´s a big piece of pure literature heheh but here goes my 2 cents on it, maybe a little bit out of context...
i think that the whole idea of trying to keep the scene underground and plur and shanti is something that is lost and gonne, and is not coming back. for the last 2 or 3 years we have assisted to a boom not only of people makin music but also of party organizers, that stuggled between themselves to keep themselves alive and make enough money to cover the expenses all of them fighting for keep up the good plur attitude in the scene. what happened was that most of them end up loosing a lot of money, and when you are loosing money you do not think plur, you think in yourself mostly, and in your ass. with this boom of new party organizers came a hole massive new comers crew to the scene that arrived in a period of non credibility when 3 in each 4 parties per weekend were empty or had no conditions or had bad ambient or bad vibes. this people who arrived in the scene between 2000 and today are 90% of the people who actually keep going to parties every weekend today.
for the few promoters that actually survived, they survived because they were highly professionals in what they were doing, and although i can agree that a portuguese festival with no portuguese acts might sound a bit strange , they probably had their reasons for doing so.
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Spasm
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Posted : Sep 30, 2005 19:39
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well i totally agree with you on this.
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Lithium
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Posted : Sep 30, 2005 19:44
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well i totally agree with you on this.
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loool 
i actually lost myself between so many quotes heheh
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Spasm
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Posted : Sep 30, 2005 20:01
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jeez what a confusion.
What i ment was that i agree 100% with what you said.
Not with the fact that its out of context..
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now i got this even more confusing |
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Lithium
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Posted : Sep 30, 2005 20:06
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algiz
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Posted : Sep 30, 2005 22:28
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the more u talk about union and love and beein' loved and bla bla...the more u forget what the real thing is..
u aren't the supreme being, wich can get all the people to one way of thinkin and get everyone close toghether in the mission of peace!
live your life, for your self, if u try to change your life first, yeah maybe someday u can change others..anything is perfect, even our lifestyle(speakin for me) try only to get the best of it..and don't imagine problems when they have nothin' to do with us...don't like?don't eat!
make private parties!??!
well...but then..the essence is gone...
"We are intellect without form...all else is choice" |
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jasonsway
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TRANCE word meaning:
Main Entry: trance
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: hypnotism
Synonyms: abstraction, brown study, coma, daze, dream, ecstasy, glaze, gone, insensibility, muse, petrifaction, rapture, reverie, spell, study, stupor, transfixion, transfixture, unconsciousness
trance
(Gr. ekstasis, from which the word "ecstasy" is derived) denotes the state of
one who is "out of himself." Such were the trances of Peter and Paul, Acts
10:10; 11:5; 22:17, ecstasies, "a preternatural, absorbed state of mind
preparing for the reception of the vision", (comp. 2 Cor. 12:1-4). In Mark 5:42
and Luke 5:26 the Greek word is rendered "astonishment," "amazement" (comp. Mark
16:8; Acts 3:10).
trance Audio pronunciation of "trance" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (trns)
n.
1. A hypnotic, cataleptic, or ecstatic state.
2. Detachment from one's physical surroundings, as in contemplation or daydreaming.
3. A semiconscious state, as between sleeping and waking; a daze.
Osho a man who explaned people how to Meditate Love and the meaning of ectasy (without drugs)
Main Entry: meditate
Part of Speech: verb
Definition: think
Synonyms: brood over, cogitate, consider, contemplate, deliberate, design, devise, dream, entertain idea, figure, intend, moon, mull over, muse, noodle, noodle around, plan, ponder, purpose, puzzle over, reflect, revolve, roll, ruminate, scheme, speculate, study, think, think over, track, view, weigh, woolgather
Main Entry: love
Part of Speech: noun 1
Definition: adoration
Synonyms: adulation, affection, allegiance, amity, amorousness, amour, appreciation, ardency, ardor, attachment, case, cherishing, crash, crush, delight, devotedness, devotion, emotion, enchantment, enjoyment, fervor, fidelity, flame, fondness, friendship, hankering, idolatry, inclination, infatuation, involvement, like, liking, lust, mad for, mash, partiality, pash, passion, piety, rapture, regard, relish, respect, sentiment, soft spot, taste, tenderness, the hots, weakness, wild for, worship, yearning, zeal
Main Entry: ecstasy
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: bliss
Synonyms: beatitude, blessedness, cool, delectation, delight, delirium, ebullience, elation, enchantment, enthusiasm, euphoria, exaltation, far out, felicity, fervor, frenzy, gladness, gone, happiness, heaven, inspiration, intoxication, joy, joyfulness, paradise, rapture, ravishment, rhapsody, seventh heaven, trance, transport, twilight zone
Goa India a place where once flew the first traverlers from our parts (hippys)
from where the sanyasins of OSHO and the traverlers (hippys) and the lsd meet to have the most famous partys in trance
where ever trance is going it shouldent be conected with enything that is happerning here.....
Trance is an external afair........
sometimes i think i was put on the wrong planet  (Una Abrazo Mr Justo) |
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gandharva
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Posted : Sep 30, 2005 23:42
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ill guess that going to be updated.to a better service.
about parties ill guess that people in every business have to make money if you bring big names like talamasca or gms you dont going to pay the with spirit,plur,shanti....you pay them with € and if there are more goers to parties more money comes in i dont know why people always criticise crystal they have a business and try it to have proffits of that business has simple has that.
this is very simple one time i went to a party a big party and in the flyer they said that he will be a secured parking, car very good then i parked my car ,and son in the morning i went to my car and the glass was broked and more 4 or 5 cars ,i thougth that this promotor was a serious one im not going to say what promotor was but if you pm me il tell you since then i never whent to a parti promoted by this guys anymore this is my contribute to the scene.
dont worry be hippie |
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jasonsway
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about parties ill guess that people in every business
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I think you missed the point :::: |
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KiloWatts
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Hello, I'm from the states... Pennsylvania. I stumbled across this thread, and thought I'd reply.
I don't know how it is over there... you guys have been doing this for a long time, and it has really taken over. But I see things happening over there that really scare me - mostly the commodification of this music, and the artists seeking celebrity instead of simply providing a medium for everyone to have a shining experience.
I attended quite a few illegal parties in the woods here this summer, and one in Texas, and I had an incredible time. Trance is not huge here. There is a select small group of people that "get it", and it has not blown up or turned into a huge spectacle - (but I fear that it will soon).
Thus, in my willingness to cherish this vibe, this group meditation, this ritual... The only solution I can see is to forget everything about these huge moneymaking festivals. Forget it all. Don't go to them. Don't listen to artists who you believe are more interested in themselves than they are in making little psychedelic masterpieces for lsd-minded people to use as a medium for learning how to change the world.
The purpose of this is *not* to drive those huge festivals into the ground, or to ruin the careers of those artists... the purpose is so that *you* can continue doing what you love to do without worrying about all this crap. It means nothing.
I am discovering how to deal with this while I'm writing this message actually.... lol
But yes... in my experience, the only way to truly "do it" is to do it with a small group of people (100-300 people), illegally (in a field or desert somewhere), and FREE.
In a way, we're lucky here. If we tried to throw a huge psytrance megafestival for 10,000 people, nobody would come. We still have the underground with us, but maybe not for long.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but a psychedelic trance party is supposed to be about taking psychedelic drugs and dancing. Am I right?
So where does celebrity and money fit into that? It can't! |
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pavi
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Posted : Oct 3, 2005 10:29
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On 2005-10-03 07:52, KiloWatts wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but a psychedelic trance party is supposed to be about taking psychedelic drugs and dancing. Am I right?
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While a lot of your post rings true, statements like the above are sadly ones Ive seen over and over again recently on several forums. Ever heard of conscious partying? Having a psychedelic experience that is not chemically induced?
Since you are asking to be corrected, I would replace the 'supposed to be' with a 'can be' in that sentence of yours.
But I do agree, greed and celebrity seem to have become more important these days - but now we're back to the age old topic of commercialism/exposure/expanding the scene versus underground/spiritual/small parties.
Lets enjoy the ride!
Within this timeless gathering,
a shining light does dance,
lost from conscious memory,
but visible in trance!
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