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sy000321
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Posted : Sep 28, 2005 17:38
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On 2005-09-28 16:57, a3k wrote:
sy000321,(concerning freedom) it is true that some portuguese artists did act in freedom, but it is also true, that in the main tent, no portuguese live act was heard..
i know that their wining formulae is good for them..but it is because like events like thix that the scene is losting some values...
just like u said..their "winning formulae" - i do respect what they do, but i think they should respect people - speccially portuguese people - trance is all about winning?or other values must b won?
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well... why don't you call club lua and complain there's no full-on on iboga nights? or any full on in the iboga label(i think, not sure about this...)? hell thre must be someone making full on in denmark...
btw, the conditions in club lua (at least in atmos, were terrible)
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On 2005-09-28 16:57, a3k wrote:
some values are being lost..even when people do try 2 explain their position 2 one another it seems they are full of anger...isnīt trance 4 u 2 xill out and b in peace of mind?
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i think trance is all about energy, good vibes and energy should be directed towerds better goals...
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On 2005-09-28 16:57, a3k wrote:
sy000321, what do u think about almost 8000 people share 24 bathrooms?
did u took your girlfriend with u? (in case if u have one)what do u feel if she had 2 go 2 the bathroom?
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with so much "mato" who cares about bathrooms? 
i used the portables just after them being cleansed... but every festival is the same, not only in freedom.
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On 2005-09-28 16:57, a3k wrote:
my cup of tea isnīt also progressive, but i think a better varied line-up would please much more people..donīt u think?
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not necessarly... i like some progrssive acts: beckers, d-noise, lish, antix, ticon and others but with so many partys people can choose what they wanna hear.
as i said before i don't complain about no full-on in iboga nights or no trance at all in mtv video awards...
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On 2005-09-28 16:57, a3k wrote:
i understand that many people like full-on and tastes we canīt argue..
but see thix: i donīt like much full-on..at
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you just said progrssive is not "your cup of tea"... do you like trance at all
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On 2005-09-28 16:57, a3k wrote:
least not almost 24 hours a day..would i consider going 2 such a festival because of the music? i donīt doubt the ambient was very good with so may foreign people, but thatīs it..
when i go 2 a festival i intend 2 listen 2 good music, have conditions, and friendly people..all these things are interconnected, one canīt exixt without the others..
when i asked where are we going..it was kind of people 2 stop a little bit and think where trance is reaching and where is it taking us...
2 many people arguing..love and unity and respect and a lot of other values donīt speak anymore in parties..
and that is a pitty...
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i think it is too, but i think we should stop complainig and doing our part in getting thinks better... no one will do that for you
and this goes for party organizers, artists, party goers, kids buying merchandise, everyone...
a fun fact: once i was in a party and there were some guys in a car blasting trance and i asked why they were listening to music in their car and not in the dance floor with other people and they said that "they didn't enjoy what the dj was playing". it just happened that the track they were listening had just been played in the dance floor 5-10 minutes ago...
people just dont' care, they'll complain about whatever is being done and usually in a very unwise way...
just to see that to complain is notg difficult at all, making things better takes some effort...
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sy000321
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Posted : Sep 28, 2005 17:46
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| deejaying but DJs are artists too |
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very few
most of them are wannabies, and realize eventually they need to do some production too.
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most? you're not calling everyone with a CDJ a DJ, are you?
and being a good dj takes time and learning, like everything else.
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On 2005-09-28 17:15, Spasm wrote:
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| in all, your making your life a bitch |
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well, this might come as a surprise to you, but Life IS a bitch.
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then make it your bitch
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On 2005-09-28 17:15, Spasm wrote:
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| get an atitude and a life |
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what makes you think i dont already got one?
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you don't seem happy with the one you have, get a better one
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On 2005-09-28 17:15, Spasm wrote:
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| Yes i understand that you don't pratice what you preach. |
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O realy? and why is that?
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your preaching love, respect, unity and peace but not showing it at all
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On 2005-09-28 17:15, Spasm wrote:
tipically portuguese...
We are SO not used to hear people complaining, that when you do see someone complaining, you see it as hatered.
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Wrong, i'm tired of hearing people complain about everything and nothing and few doing anything to change things.
Now you're throwing down the portuguese too.. tsc tsc tsc...
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Were tell me please? Did i disrespect anyone?
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thank god there werent many like you in freedom... |
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thx, that's your best right?
it really shows a lot about you...
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re read your post... i wont comment more
roll a joint or STFU :) |
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sy000321
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Posted : Sep 28, 2005 17:50
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Why isn't this topic:
"What can we do to make trance better?"
do you feel you can't do anything about it? that's terrible if you feel like that.
what are you losing? ideas or wit? or you really need to feel things are bad to complain?
roll a joint or STFU :) |
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Spasm
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Posted : Sep 28, 2005 18:16
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ok where do i start....
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| you're not calling everyone with a CDJ a DJ, are you? |
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Honestly?
to me only tsuioshy susuki i consider an artist at spinning.
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it is already ...
so as for everyone else...
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| you don't seem happy with the one you have, get a better one |
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are you some sort of a psychic?
You sound like one..
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| your preaching love, respect, unity and peace but not showing it at all |
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So wrong.
you will never see me preaching that here for sure..
But the SPUN/Cristal crew shouts it everywhere.
I'm going to tell you a story, to maybe change your point of view.
If I would shut up, and not give my sincere opinion, I would just turn my face and IGNORE this whole situation.
What, tell me would that help.
Imagine a mother and son.
Does your mother hates you because she tell you loud and clear whats best for you?
Whats that? Love or Hate?
If she punishes you, or makes you do your homework, is she loving you or hating you?
Love is a tricky stuff isn't it?
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sy000321
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Posted : Sep 28, 2005 18:22
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On 2005-09-28 18:16, Spasm wrote:
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| you don't seem happy with the one you have, get a better one |
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are you some sort of a psychic?
You sound like one..
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| your preaching love, respect, unity and peace but not showing it at all |
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So wrong.
you will never see me preaching that here for sure..
But the SPUN/Cristal crew shouts it everywhere.
I'm going to tell you a story, to maybe change your point of view.
If I would shut up, and not give my sincere opinion, I would just turn my face and IGNORE this whole situation.
What, tell me would that help.
Imagine a mother and son.
Does your mother hates you because she tell you loud and clear whats best for you?
Whats that? Love or Hate?
If she punishes you, or makes you do your homework, is she loving you or hating you?
Love is a tricky stuff isn't it?
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well i'm not a psychic and you're not my mother
hey??? are you ?
lol 
joao
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a3k
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Posted : Sep 28, 2005 19:33
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"well... why don't you call club lua and complain there's no full-on on iboga nights? or any full on in the iboga label(i think, not sure about this...)? hell thre must be someone making full on in denmark...
btw, the conditions in club lua (at least in atmos, were terrible)"
cause one festival is diferent.there u will spend at least 8 h10 hours most..now full on 4 3/4 days in a row...and it is very diferent on planing a trip vey far 4 a few days..the hole effort must b compensated, no?
and u can see by other festivals that happen in Portugal, that the sound and line up is varied..
i remenber on e festival i went on zambujeira do mar in 2003, and the conditions werenīt many, but at least the sound was varied!
"i think trance is all about energy, good vibes and energy should be directed towerds better goals..."
absolutly right.now better goals i guess they pass by better conditions 2 the audience that attends 2 these events..or without audience would the party/festival exixt?maybe u do care on directing good vibes and good energy into good things, and the ones who direct only the energy 2 good vibe$? do u know what i mean? can i smell green paper?when people only worry about $..no good thing can come in result
""with so much "mato" who cares about bathrooms?
i used the portables just after them being cleansed... but every festival is the same, not only in freedom."
well i donīt care either, but the people who do care?and that is just an excuse..i am not 15 years old 2 eat everything that i am given.and i must tell u that not all festivals are the same..there are big diferences, some people do have trobles in going 2 "mato".shoulndīt these people have rights?they also payed 4 the ticket?and we donīt live in the "stone" age 
"not necessarly... i like some progrssive acts: beckers, d-noise, lish, antix, ticon and others but with so many partys people can choose what they wanna hear.
as i said before i don't complain about no full-on in iboga nights or no trance at all in mtv video awards..."
well but i do care for a varied line up...cause i do not only worry/concern in me..i know there are alot of people that like dark, psy, full on, prog, xill out..etc etc..and once more a festival is the gathering of many people who have diferent tastes and diversity is always very good..or do u think the 8000 pepole who attended freedom they all liked full on?
"you just said progrssive is not "your cup of tea"... do you like trance at all "
no.i like very much real psychedelic music..night music is my favorite..i donīt like people singing and euro trance
"i think it is too, but i think we should stop complainig and doing our part in getting thinks better... no one will do that for you
and this goes for party organizers, artists, party goers, kids buying merchandise, everyone..."
yes but not all can b party organizers, artists, djīs..etc etc..there must b an audience 2..if we canīt claim for better conditions..do u eat everything that is presented 2 u?...and if we donīt preserve at least some good things where will it end?
"a fun fact: once i was in a party and there were some guys in a car blasting trance and i asked why they were listening to music in their car and not in the dance floor with other people and they said that "they didn't enjoy what the dj was playing". it just happened that the track they were listening had just been played in the dance floor 5-10 minutes ago...
people just dont' care, they'll complain about whatever is being done and usually in a very unwise way..."
no no..that is very diferent i donīt speak for them..at least most of the times i know exactly what i want 2 hear...i go 2 see diferent things.. i have seen lotīs of times infected, gms, astrix..etc etc..they come here many times in a row..
why donīt people bring other acts?cause they are afraid the $ that usually comes wonīt come...it spins around one thing..and that is bad..
"just to see that to complain is notg difficult at all, making things better takes some effort..." yes and the ones who donīt want 2 change things cause it isnīt convinient?
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sy000321
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Posted : Sep 28, 2005 19:59
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ok. i too get bored with GMS at every party... not to say they're live is always the same because it isn't... but so many artists out there it there could be more variation.
and i dont like either guitars or vocals in trance so you might understand my grief
to some point i'm tired of being advocate of the devil in this thread, but it really is my point
the only thing i can say is why you go to watch something you don't like? You've seen the flyer so you did know what you were paying for... it must be like dust addiction or something...
Hell, if i had the i would throw a party with every artist i want and i wouldn't care if people shown or not. maybe my next birthday party...
people out there organizing stuff should see there's a oppurtunity here: so many people saying they are bored from x and y partys. There must be a place "on the market" for different partys. Would you be there?
i just talked recently to a label owner about dark/prog stuff and it's word was "that stuff doesn't sell"
so maybe the dark/prog crowd is the problem, they are stayin at home and not buying CDs, maybe they're spending their money in dope or in trendy clothing or just DL from the net... (i'm really throwing stones randomly, some might bounce back, i know i'm gonna get flammed )
partys/festivals aren't public service, organizers make theyr partys the way they like. you "vote" for what you like by buying a CD or going to a party...
so hit me with your flames
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a3k
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Posted : Sep 28, 2005 20:30
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"ok. i too get bored with GMS at every party... not to say they're live is always the same because it isn't... but so many artists out there it there could be more variation.
and i dont like either guitars or vocals in trance so you might understand my grief"
thix i fully understand u
"to some point i'm tired of being advocate of the devil in this thread, but it really is my point
the only thing i can say is why you go to watch something you don't like? You've seen the flyer so you did know what you were paying for... it must be like dust addiction or something..."
i donīt go..thix summer i didnīt went either 2 freedom or updown, but i see it just like u said..donīt like it donīt go..i donīt go see a movie if i now from the start it isnīt a story that i like!
it is just like u said.
and i belive 4 the people who like thix sonority, they had a hell of a fest!
"Hell, if i had the i would throw a party with every artist i want and i wouldn't care if people shown or not. maybe my next birthday party... "
see..now u are getting a little bit 2 my original point..wouldnīt u like 2 throw a party with good conditions, friendly..where good feelings flown..and i belive as much we are getting into living our life our future the more nice feelings are going away..donīt u think that 2?
"people out there organizing stuff should see there's a oppurtunity here: so many people saying they are bored from x and y partys. There must be a place "on the market" for different partys. Would you be there?"
if it was something nice and seduced me why not?
"i just talked recently to a label owner about dark/prog stuff and it's word was "that stuff doesn't sell"
so maybe the dark/prog crowd is the problem, they are stayin at home and not buying CDs, maybe they're spending their money in dope or in trendy clothing or just DL from the net... (i'm really throwing stones randomly, some might bounce back, i know i'm gonna get flammed )"
flammed by who?
give them 2 me
of course it doensīt sell.4 example the comunity hearing prog and dark is very few/little in Portugal..maybe if Portuguese audience was exposed 2 new artists from varied sound, maybe they could like it.and things start 2 raise up a little bit..the thing is the majoritie of portuguese audience isnīt very demanding in terms of quality.most of the times, and as u pointed, people simply just donīt no what they are hearing..
"partys/festivals aren't public service, organizers make theyr partys the way they like. you "vote" for what you like by buying a CD or going to a party..."
if i havenīt seen the artit i go see him..if i already have seen the artist maybe there i would vote for buying that cd.
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Posted : Sep 28, 2005 22:41
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one thing more..how many parties we see nowadays that really support our national artists?
see 4 example the free party that is going 2 happen in "aldeia d trebilhadouro"..it is free with national products only..spirit there? i guess so..people will have a good time (i hope) and everything came from the effort of few..so many can enjoy.
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one thing more..how many parties we see nowadays that really support our national artists?
see 4 example the free party that is going 2 happen in "aldeia d trebilhadouro"..it is free with national products only..spirit there? i guess so..people will have a good time (i hope) and everything came from the effort of few..so many can enjoy.
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You got that right...
Be well...
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Justin Chaos
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May be the problem is the lack of interest of the portuguese public about their national live-acts???
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Posted : Sep 30, 2005 10:58
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I dont think that's the problem.
You see, the portuguese public gets what promoters offer, period.
And party promoters in Portugal yes, are not interested in supporting the national product, beacause they think its not a good business when you already have booked talamasca and GMS (for instance).
They feel like no paying more money to artist and they feel its irrelevant, since they already have the "popstars", and no one is going beacause the portuguese guy (this is theirs mind thinking).
But this is a recurring problem.
Patrick from Paste hardly plays in Switzerland and often abroad.
Freedom Festival is a perfect example on how that works.
They did not book portuguese artists not beacause people dont like them, they did it beacause they have their "popstar" friends
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Also, no one REALLY complains about it, and just take it, like its ok, and comment about ther festival..
"hey killlarrrg festival, really liked GMS talamaska, and 12.000 mics rocked the dancefloor bla, bla bla cliché.."
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sy000321
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Posted : Sep 30, 2005 12:14
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May be the problem is the lack of interest of the portuguese public about their national live-acts???
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organizers think about the events as business ( at least the ones that aren't appering and desapering out of no where) and they know that booking a national artist wont bring more people to the party...
like spasm mentioned, but in anpther context, it happens in other countrys too
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I like some of them, even bought CD's, and complain every time i see them missing in a festival.
Or maybe you need to be japanese to do a review like this about a portuguese artist:
"Sunday, March 16, 2003
New upcoming talent from Portugal deliver us funky minimal psytrance ... extremely great for dancing , some tracks contain one of the most groovy basslines I've ever heared ... Faktor D sure sounds fresh ... didn't realy know what to expect from these guys because they didn't release many tracks so this sure is a nice surprice . starts with #1 a downtempo track to get you in the wright mood ... #2 is very pumping and nice percussion ... nice flow in here . #3 has a jazzy mood and is very smooth ... #4 man what a funky bassline in here , very catchy ..#5 a bit mediocre but not bad at all .. #6 this one is more tribal .. and very kickin' .... but here it comes #7 one of the greatest funky basslines ever made ... powerfull , fresh , clear production and dance-friendly like hell !!! a must !!! #8 last one is chill-out , not bad ... overall this is wicked . coverart by Loets is nice too but not his best work imo ... my favourites are 2,3,4(!),6,7(!) and I give this project a solid 8/10 magnifico
Setsuko
Sunday, March 23, 2003
Agreed. Setsuko's review is good here. For an idea how this sounds, listen to groups like Visual Paradox or think Atmos with bigger basslines and groove. Anyway, I was pleasantly surprised with this one, gave it a quick listen at http://www.psyshop.com and decided to order it. And I'm glad I did. The last song on this reminded me of the soundtrack of John Carpenters' movie, The Thing. Hehehe.. great movie, and so is this music. Great. 8,5/10 here.
Acidhive "
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Posted : Sep 30, 2005 14:32
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Please chill both of you.
This was an interesting debate, let's keep it this way respecting eachother and, more important, the guidelines.
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