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a3k
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Posted : Sep 23, 2005 19:05
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after reading thix topic ( http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/71464/forum/60 ) which is a clear sighting that some people really are feeling maybe the same i am.. (although thix is not about the parties or cdīs whatsoever or djīs etc etc )
there are inomerous discussions concerning plenty of topics..no problem about that, it is very good 2 keep us updated on new cdīs and parties..but my really point is:
are u liking the way the trance is heading?
i mean, everybody speaks about the plurish days(the old days), where love and friends rule, and a lot of good feelings where lived in our dearest parties..but now all u see is something that i fully believe it is not the "world" i choose/wanted 2 live in (the new days)..i mean..(sometimes i canīt speak very well what i want), i donīt want a world full of love..etc..etc..not that, not an utopic/impossible way of living, but something better..what do u see when u look at the trance world?
is it far way from the purpose it was birth 4?not that it was born for thix, but it wasnīt born 2 b in the state that is in, or has becomed..
an example: how many of u press the submit button and really think in what is written in there (and thix can b represented/is happening in the real world)?or u press submit, just 2 answer the other guy that has a diferent opinion?
did i made myself explicit?
i mean, people do really think in what they do, hear, or say?
my question is:where are we going?where is the music goin 2 lead us?is thix the way we should live?u say thix i say that..are the old days conected with the new days?
if u see a lot of posts is all about answering back, sometimes in a way full of stress and hate..just 2 raise up some ego..
ps: no one personaly is viewed in here, and i must admit the iberia section is one of the best i have seen in a long time.
thix topic isnīt about a user/s but kinda of a reflection of how things are (in the real world, u know? out there, in the streets, in the parties..)..do u look at yourself and ask: "what am i doing?am i doing good or am i doing bad?"
thix could b a very long topic by me..but i think i will try 2 develop it as long the replies keep comin..
my english canīt fully transmite what i real want 2 say.i miss some words in english, that donīt now how 2 write them..so thix was the best way of saying it.  ... |
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Posted : Sep 23, 2005 20:57
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got your message perfectly
There is no answer though, we can only discuss the subject.
One of the reasons things are very diferent now, is that now, have 3 or 4 generations, of trance lovers.
In the beginnig, just one, with people average ages going from 22 to 30's, 40's and up.
Now there are more kids in parties, firt issue, that conditions the music too.
So in a way, i guess, it was more of a wiser generation in general.
The music, places, parties, people, decorations, conditions, sound systems were carefully chosen with the only purpose to give a real quality experience for dance music lovers, that came from the house and techno parties.
Plus they were a serious quality alterative for the megatechno raves going on those days and that people were fed up with.
Mainly beacause they were darker and more uninviting, with lots of drugdealers and drugaddicts, and not exactly selfconsciouse dance music lovers, preety much like megatrance parties nowadays (if you exclude Boom Festival).
The diference was that at technoraves you were treated like cadle, with police everywhere, doing threaning faces at you at the door, you know.
When the goa parties arrived, you had smiling happy people inviting you, looking at you in the eye, giving you food, good NEW music.
For a period of time, the music got so wild and inovative that artists and DJ's really thought they were on top of in creativity and technologie, and they were.
So in a way it was a high-tech kind of thing too.
THe consciousness of the whole goa "philosophy", and religious and social connections, was something that for me, and maybe for many people i know appeared and disapeared.
Mostly beacause eventualy, you realize that most things are said and not done, most of the self-acclainmed gurus, are tottaly closed to inovation and glued to a formula that gives them confort and wealth and fame between 15 year olds (generally speaking of course).
Trance now is trendy.
U buy the fluoshirt, do the tattoo, pun on the braclet, listen to your skazi, take some pills and you are from the Trance, but remeber you must look like you have just arrived from India,... bah!
I mean there are seriouse good values in the "goa teorie" but most of it, is merchandising and means to an end.
Trance to me is mostly good music (at least some of it).. the rest is interesting theories.. |
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Posted : Sep 24, 2005 03:38
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On 2005-09-23 20:57, Spasm wrote:
got your message perfectly
There is no answer though, we can only discuss the subject.
One of the reasons things are very diferent now, is that now, have 3 or 4 generations, of trance lovers.
In the beginnig, just one, with people average ages going from 22 to 30's, 40's and up.
Now there are more kids in parties, firt issue, that conditions the music too.
So in a way, i guess, it was more of a wiser generation in general.
The music, places, parties, people, decorations, conditions, sound systems were carefully chosen with the only purpose to give a real quality experience for dance music lovers, that came from the house and techno parties.
Plus they were a serious quality alterative for the megatechno raves going on those days and that people were fed up with.
Mainly beacause they were darker and more uninviting, with lots of drugdealers and drugaddicts, and not exactly selfconsciouse dance music lovers, preety much like megatrance parties nowadays (if you exclude Boom Festival).
The diference was that at technoraves you were treated like cadle, with police everywhere, doing threaning faces at you at the door, you know.
When the goa parties arrived, you had smiling happy people inviting you, looking at you in the eye, giving you food, good NEW music.
For a period of time, the music got so wild and inovative that artists and DJ's really thought they were on top of in creativity and technologie, and they were.
So in a way it was a high-tech kind of thing too.
THe consciousness of the whole goa "philosophy", and religious and social connections, was something that for me, and maybe for many people i know appeared and disapeared.
Mostly beacause eventualy, you realize that most things are said and not done, most of the self-acclainmed gurus, are tottaly closed to inovation and glued to a formula that gives them confort and wealth and fame between 15 year olds (generally speaking of course).
Trance now is trendy.
U buy the fluoshirt, do the tattoo, pun on the braclet, listen to your skazi, take some pills and you are from the Trance, but remeber you must look like you have just arrived from India,... bah!
I mean there are seriouse good values in the "goa teorie" but most of it, is merchandising and means to an end.
Trance to me is mostly good music (at least some of it).. the rest is interesting theories..
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MentAL_ItCH
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sorry bout that..i wanted to quote u but i dont fully understand how its done 
Acid is not for every brain - only the healthy, happy, wholesome, handsome, hopeful, humorous, high-velocity should seek these experiences. This elitism is totally self-determined.
Unless you are self-confident, self-directed, self-selected, abstain. |
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MentAL_ItCH
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well...now from the beginning..damn..i lost everything i wrote 
i may not be a veteran as in going to parties, it's been like 5 years since my first trance party, but i know what i want and what i believe in, and i have an idea of what i'd like the psy scene to be, and what it is at the moment..i think i understand the whole purpose of it (i hope)!if we want we can preserve the main purpose, the thing that made us love this as i think we do, it's just up to each one of us to keep it alive..after all, arenīt we supposed to be united? the ideal may have been born from the goa philosophy and hindu religion and so on, but, for me, it hasn't got to be about religion..it doesnīt need to be something like "transcendental", "heavenly", "virgem maria aparecer aos miudos em fatima", it doesn't need to be like that.what matters is what we are here for, what we want it to be like. i really like the thought of peace, love, unity, and respect.. to me it just makes perfect sense..not just in trance parties, but everywhere, with everyone..but if we cant have it everywhere, at least we have our little corner of reality to express ourselves how we want.
The music is bound to evolve, as everything else.. it will go where we take it to...maybe in a 100 years trance will not be anything like goa trance, or even full on or progressive, but if the spirit remains intact then it will be ok, won't it?trance is trendy, but everything that gets well know goes trendy sooner or later, for a long period or a short period, but it's unavoidable..but if u really like it, u will stick with it, you wont go to parties just bcuz someone goes, or cuz the drugs are good, or some other stupid reason..it makes u happy doesnt it?even the oldest people in the scene want a piece of the merchandise, it affects everyone, more or less, but it does. Trance to me is good music, music that makes me smile and gives me goosebumps and makes me jump and dance and feel good! yeah a3k, the iberia section is good because we dont stick to the plan, we dont stick with what we've got, we think by ourselves i guess..or maybe not and all i am talking is BullShit.?!?! i feel like i havent said everything, but ill probably post some more, later, when i feel more up to it..
darn, this would be much easier in portuguese
PLUR
Acid is not for every brain - only the healthy, happy, wholesome, handsome, hopeful, humorous, high-velocity should seek these experiences. This elitism is totally self-determined.
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I think i go to school tomorrow!
evening school, mmmmmmmmmhhhhhh
mauauuauahahahaa
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Spasm
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Posted : Sep 27, 2005 13:16
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tomorrow?
too late.. you should have gone yesterday.. |
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Spasm
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Posted : Sep 27, 2005 17:41
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well, i understand you , and this concept is really beautiful in thoerie.
In pratical terms, you have festivals like Freedom and Updown, that only invite friend and psychadelic popstars..
No progressive, no portuguese artists...
That does not reflect unity or respect whatsoever, imho |
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a3k
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Posted : Sep 27, 2005 19:12
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On 2005-09-27 17:41, Spasm wrote:
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well, i understand you , and this concept is really beautiful in thoerie.
In pratical terms, you have festivals like Freedom and Updown, that only invite friend and psychadelic popstars..
No progressive, no portuguese artists...
That does not reflect unity or respect whatsoever, imho
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ouch 
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sy000321
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Posted : Sep 28, 2005 12:19
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yeah yeah... there were portuguese artists playin at freedoom
and i don't see why you're always bitchin about not having progressive partys.
there are more progressive events than full on ones
cristal is all about full on, it's their public, why should they change their winning formula?
roll a joint or STFU :) |
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Spasm
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Posted : Sep 28, 2005 13:37
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O really? who? May i ask?
And just in case you dont know, DJ's are NOT artists but just people who find out how to mix 2 trax from real artists.
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Why do i "bitch"?
Well, because Im a "bitching" kind of guy, and I like to "bitch" all day long.
Adding the fact that this is a free country, Im a free men (sort of), and Im intituled to "bitch" with who I want and "bitch" about whatever I want to "bitch" about.
Got a problem with that? Or are you from the freaking censorship Dept.?
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Does P.L.U.R. ring any bell?
I'm going to translate Peace, Love, UNITY and RESPECT...
They produced a TRANCE FESTIVAL, without progressive trance.
How's that for UNITY... or RESPECT
But hey...
like you said,... its "their" public... , "their" kind of music... "their" artists....
It had nothing to do with the rest of Trance right?
That's what i thought about it from the start..
Its a kind of a "cosa nostra" organization...
Its "our" stuff right? Dont mix it with the rest
That just shows how pathetic PLUR really is, doesnt it?
Did you understand now?
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sy000321
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Posted : Sep 28, 2005 16:23
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On 2005-09-28 13:37, Spasm wrote:
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O really? who? May i ask?
And just in case you dont know, DJ's are NOT artists but just people who find out how to mix 2 trax from real artists.
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sergio was playing live there in the chill out tent...
and depending on the type of deejaying but DJs are artists too
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Why do i "bitch"?
Well, because Im a "bitching" kind of guy, and I like to "bitch" all day long.
Adding the fact that this is a free country, Im a free men (sort of), and Im intituled to "bitch" with who I want and "bitch" about whatever I want to "bitch" about.
Got a problem with that? Or are you from the freaking censorship Dept.?
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in all, your making your life a bitch... tsc tsc tsc... get an atitude and a life instead of a frown face...
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Does P.L.U.R. ring any bell?
I'm going to translate Peace, Love, UNITY and RESPECT...
They produced a TRANCE FESTIVAL, without progressive trance.
How's that for UNITY... or RESPECT
But hey...
like you said,... its "their" public... , "their" kind of music... "their" artists....
It had nothing to do with the rest of Trance right?
That's what i thought about it from the start..
Its a kind of a "cosa nostra" organization...
Its "our" stuff right? Dont mix it with the rest
That just shows how pathetic PLUR really is, doesnt it?
Did you understand now?
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Yes i understand that you don't pratice what you preach. You talk about love and respect but i only hear hate and disrespect coming from you.
is preaching easier than doing? or you're just an hipocrit?
thank god there werent many like you in freedom...
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sy000321
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Posted : Sep 28, 2005 16:52
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On 2005-09-23 20:57, Spasm wrote:
Trance now is trendy.
U buy the fluoshirt, do the tattoo, pun on the braclet, listen to your skazi, take some pills and you are from the Trance, but remeber you must look like you have just arrived from India,... bah!
I mean there are seriouse good values in the "goa teorie" but most of it, is merchandising and means to an end.
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i agree 100%
all this "lifestyle" thing is just an excuse to make kids buy stuff: shirts, bracelets, whatever...
roll a joint or STFU :) |
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a3k
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Posted : Sep 28, 2005 16:57
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sy000321,(concerning freedom) it is true that some portuguese artists did act in freedom, but it is also true, that in the main tent, no portuguese live act was heard..
i know that their wining formulae is good for them..but it is because like events like thix that the scene is losting some values...
just like u said..their "winning formulae" - i do respect what they do, but i think they should respect people - speccially portuguese people - trance is all about winning?or other values must b won?
some values are being lost..even when people do try 2 explain their position 2 one another it seems they are full of anger...isnīt trance 4 u 2 xill out and b in peace of mind?
sy000321, what do u think about almost 8000 people share 24 bathrooms?
did u took your girlfriend with u? (in case if u have one)what do u feel if she had 2 go 2 the bathroom?
my cup of tea isnīt also progressive, but i think a better varied line-up would please much more people..donīt u think?
i understand that many people like full-on and tastes we canīt argue..
but see thix: i donīt like much full-on..at least not almost 24 hours a day..would i consider going 2 such a festival because of the music? i donīt doubt the ambient was very good with so may foreign people, but thatīs it..
when i go 2 a festival i intend 2 listen 2 good music, have conditions, and friendly people..all these things are interconnected, one canīt exixt without the others..
when i asked where are we going..it was kind of people 2 stop a little bit and think where trance is reaching and where is it taking us...
2 many people arguing..love and unity and respect and a lot of other values donīt speak anymore in parties..
and that is a pitty...
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Spasm
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Posted : Sep 28, 2005 17:15
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very few
most of them are wannabies, and realize eventually they need to do some production too.
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well, this might come as a surprise to you, but Life IS a bitch.
i just reused the expression YOU used, in case you didn't understand.
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what makes you think i dont already got one?
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O realy? and why is that?
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tipically portuguese...
We are SO not used to hear people complaining, that when you do see someone complaining, you see it as hatered.
jeeez
Were tell me please? Did i disrespect anyone?
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thank god there werent many like you in freedom... |
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thx, that's your best right?
it really shows a lot about you...
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