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vegetal
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Posted : May 10, 2008 03:07:32
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How much are you willing to put into you studio equipment( gear and acoustic-treatment)?
When you know that the majority of people that will listen to your music, listen to it through a pair of ear-plugs that came with the newly purchased I-Pod.
And in the long run they will end up here discussing the "level of production" on a comp or album.
Discuss or die ;P !
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piXan
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Posted : May 10, 2008 03:20
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Alex Roudos
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Posted : May 10, 2008 03:24
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I have posted the same exact thing in other forums. The result was that i came to fully realize that i couldn't care less where and if my music will ever been played by anyone for the rest of my life.
Making music IS my life, is my way of expressing myself and it's the one and only thing that gives me absolute pleasure and joy.
Therefore there's no line drawn, to the limits of my reach of course. If i can afford it, i get it. If not, i'll try as hard as i can to afford it.
Simple. 
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klippel
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Posted : May 10, 2008 09:54
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alex: +10
when i sit down in my living room and fire up my high end stereo setup i give a flying fuck about all the ipods on this world...
music is MY love... if somebody can´t hear the sonic details of my or other music.. they either don´t care or they must get a better system... what do i care..
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Posted : May 10, 2008 11:41
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there's a line?
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vegetal
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Posted : May 10, 2008 12:22
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heretical
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Posted : May 10, 2008 15:22
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they either don´t care or they must get a better system... what do i care..
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The problem is though that most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference even if they did have a fantastic system to listen on. If you think back to before you got into production, the entire concept of "good production" while listening to music probly didn't even exist to your ears, you just listened to the music...
I draw the line at just having ok monitors that can get loud. Wasting time with room treatments and that seems to be missing the forest for the trees IMO considering the best you can hope for at the average is that the space doesn't have a terrible sound system that your music is played in. More likely than not though your music will be played on shitty speakers and/or a shitty loud PA with pretty bad room acoustics. |
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Alex Roudos
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Posted : May 10, 2008 16:08
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I draw the line at just having ok monitors that can get loud. Wasting time with room treatments and that seems to be missing the forest for the trees IMO considering the best you can hope for at the average is that the space doesn't have a terrible sound system that your music is played in. More likely than not though your music will be played on shitty speakers and/or a shitty loud PA with pretty bad room acoustics.
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I totally and respectfully disagree.
The rule is that most living rooms or listening areas if you like are even less than average efficient for descent music auditioning. On top of that usually the music is played back in mp3 from a god knows what system.
If the producers don't make sure from their side that their material sounds as good as they can afford or are able to, then the end result will be even worse to almost inaudible considering what was mentioned above.
And room acoustics at least is the most important part in delivering anything that sounds right in the first place(in our studios). And it's very cheap too if you choose the DIY option.
The super best equipment in the universe will still sound like shit in an untreated room.
Period.
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PsyTiax
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Posted : May 10, 2008 18:21
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And it's very cheap too if you choose the DIY option.
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Cannabis
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Posted : May 10, 2008 18:56
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And it's very cheap too if you choose the DIY option.
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What's that ?
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Carpet the walls 
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Cannabis
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Posted : May 10, 2008 19:00
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You don't make quality for iPod. You make the quality for PA systems, which are mostly mono
So the details come out there on PR, not to mention of fellow producerrs, who dissect you tunes
So I'd say the limit is your money.
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Alex Roudos
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Posted : May 10, 2008 19:10
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And it's very cheap too if you choose the DIY option.
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Carpet the walls
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It's off topic but needs some clarification maybe.
I had made a plan for acoustic treatment using ready made products(corner traps, broadband absorbers , diffusors) from a very well known and respected manufacturer from the US. The whole thing cost around 5.000 euros including everything.
After researching and gathering information, i decided that i'll do it myself with the cost for the same exact plan dropping down to 1000 euros max. The cost is a factor of course, but it also gives more flexibility. The downside is it needs a lot of time. Acoustically there will be no difference.
Carpets on the walls on the other hand wouldn't be that cheap afterall and not that easy to install. And it's by no means acoustic treatment but only high frequency absorption.
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UnderTow
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Posted : May 10, 2008 19:17
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PsyTiax , DIY = Do It Yourself. Alex explains further in the post above.
The only line is my bank account. Unfortunately that is a very hard line. 
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Elad
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Posted : May 10, 2008 19:25
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here is realistic thought
since i put into the music stuff about 10000$ even more throu the years i reken its only fair the next equipment is gonna be purchased from money i make from music.
since my studio is more the capable of top of the line results (got synths good monitors acoustics) so if i have no more income ever from the music then its also ok i can live happy with what i have another 5 years , and a synth once in 5 years is not too much for hoby... but since alot of bookings happens and there is worldwide intrest in my music then i want to upgrade more and more all the time to present better quality for the dancefloor , since its defintly more professional and also more fun..
as far for my own personal goals , allready got the "ok" sound qualtity , always cared more about the musical content about 10 times more
btw , what ever happend to the LABEL STUDIO ??
this should be the real way , all label artist should have acces to the studio create together and have the best equipment.
unfourtuntly labels are very amature in psy scene and also thinking too much about the cd sales which in the outside world its long time not the issue... www.sattelbattle.com
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Freeflow
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Posted : May 10, 2008 22:36
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I dont think its up to one person to draw the line!
we always compare our self to others, sometimes we dont and thats great but in the end we want to compare our self to things we like... its both good and bad!
If you think im wrong and maybe you are in a state were you dont compare.. good for you, be innovative
The musical buissness is a competition!
But of course when its just you and the music its a different story!
And its all about the time and knowledge you spend...And money!!
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