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Colin OOOD
OOOD/Voice of Cod
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Posted : Feb 23, 2009 18:10
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On 2009-02-23 17:39, shahar wrote:
How can there be development when definitions are so tight? When the mind is not open?
So many people in this musical movement are so preoccupied with generizing, labeling and formulating everything that comes out, with looking for music that sounds "like this", with going dancing only to "this kind of music", with releasing "that kind of music", with "this is not what I expected from this label", etc. etc.
In this reality, once you develop- you're out!
Psychedelic trance culture is not an open mind culture. An oxymoron? Sad reality!
Kino Oko, really liked all you wrote. I agree with every word.
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I agree with this wholeheartedly. Things have got *a lot* harder for us since we stopped releasing albums that are just one style, even though every review I've read of our stuff says "this is teh best sh1t in teh w0rld!!!1oneeleven!!" There can be no musical progression in this scene if the scene doesn't support those who are trying to progress.
I truly believe that there are acts and artists out there who answer many of the questions the OP was asking, who push themselves and the whole 'psychedelic dance music' thing further with each piece of music they write, and I'm very proud to consider myself someone who tries to be like this... but if promoters don't support acts like OOOD or Kino Oko or Bigwigs who are doing something a little different, and bring them to the ears of trancers who only know the bog-standard big names, then the scene will continue to stagnate.
People rely on promoters to choose the best music for them and that's what they think they're getting when they buy a ticket to a party or festival; they don't realise that really what they're getting much of the time is the same old same old "friends of the promoter" nepotistic bullshit. With respect, my 15 years in the scene tells me that in many countries, most punters don't know anything about different styles of trance - they think that what they hear at parties is all there is - and it's only the DJs and those who are really into the scene in a big way (eg. Isra members!) who are more aware. But different IS good; different CAN work; we see it whenever we play in the smiles and bounces from people who didn't realise there were so many other sides to psytrance and psychedelic dance music in general. All we - and acts like us who refuse to write the same track twice - need is a chance to show it.
It's in your hands to make the scene what you want it to be - write to your local party and festival promoters and tell them they don't have to be afraid. Tell them that once they see what happens on the dancefloor when people hear something a little bit different but also good, they'll see it's not as big a risk as they thought.
  Mastering - http://mastering.OOOD.net :: www.is.gd/mastering
OOOD 5th album 'You Think You Are' - www.is.gd/tobuyoood :: www.OOOD.net
www.facebook.com/OOOD.music :: www.soundcloud.com/oood
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Nectarios
Martian Arts
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Posted : Feb 23, 2009 18:47
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+1 on what Colin said.
The thing to consider is that in order for any kind of act, 15 years in the scene or up and coming newcomer, to get gigs, is to build a hype from playing small parties and I am sure acts like OOOD have played shitloads.
Then a lot of festivals have massive line ups where anyone who has some weight in actual music quality, behind their name, is included. Its the main test where you throw a lot of smaller acts with "the big boys". If the set goes down well and the people get slapped silly in the dancefloor, then I am sure, any promoter who is present, will book that project and the people who attended the festical, will spread the word, getting the artists in question, more bookings.
I happen to know one of the promoters in Greece that put on the biggest montly in Athens and having talked to the guy, it is the draw of the name that will make him choose his next live acts, so I don't go expecting to hear Allaby or OOOD (for example) playing anytime soon, although obvioulsy Matt has been releasing music for much less time than OOOD and although I have never had the pleasure of hearing their music on a big party, I KNOW it will give me and an awful lot of people a few religious experiences on the floor.
But I am not the one booking the artists, and no matter how much I will whinge like a spoiled brat about hearing Astrix is coming to play again, I cannot say anything when I hear my mate talking about how much he is putting on the line to put up one of the few parties that are worth going to and there is definitely not much I can say when there's 1500 people (I did not attend) giving him the chance to test the waters on something different next time.
And yet, someone like Younger Brother comes to play and the guy does not even break even.
The situation is fucked up and the only way for it to change is for a collective change, but then again, what I consider proper banging psychedelic music, other people consider the "same old boring predictable" stuff.
There are so many different currents, that change in strenght, that the scene just goes wherever the wind blows. I can't think of a solution simply because an awful lot of poeple don't think there's even something wrong, so there is no need for a solution.
All I can and I am going to do, is make the music I like, listn to the music that I like and attend the parties that I like.
Fuck knows what's gonna come out of it, but I'll stick with it for as long as I am enjoying it.
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shellbound
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Feb 23, 2009 19:12
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On 2009-02-23 18:47, pipe&slippers wrote:
All I can and I am going to do, is make the music I like, listn to the music that I like and attend the parties that I like.
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that's pretty much all it comes down to. we can all wax poetic about the subject all day long, but in reality that's all that any of us can actually do. |
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aXis
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Posted : Feb 23, 2009 19:18
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BrainLizzard
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Posted : Feb 23, 2009 22:26
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What is OOOD or Kino Oko or Bigwigs doing that's so different? When i heard Bigwigs back in the day, I liked it but it was under par, same for OOOD, all my fluff friends like it but its not what moves me to dance. Fluff isn't a bad thing, so lets say psyhouse music, something to entertain your guest with around your home when dancing isn't the focus.. show me what's so different.Kino Oko, not a house hold name where I'm at, who is that? shoot me a link so I can report back. Have they made it yet? Please direct me to a track that's really different..Procs is really different and so is Psykovsky. The World economy isn't that good so can the kiss kiss and self promotion step aside with its ego for a second, please?
Remember, this my perception and I'm asking for links and artist names so newcomers can have reference points and so I can reflect with more artist that fit the time slot as well.... I'm confused why everyone is avoiding something so simple...
"If You Always Think What You've Always Thought, You Will Always Feel What You've Always Felt" |
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Colin OOOD
OOOD/Voice of Cod
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Posted : Feb 23, 2009 23:54
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KINO OKO
Bigwigs
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Posted : Feb 24, 2009 00:19
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shahar
IsraTrance Team
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Posted : Feb 24, 2009 00:53
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Mr. Lizard, in this community the people who make music are also a part. And they contributing to a discussion doesn't make them kiss kiss and self promoting. And sure is not about ego. Actually it's quite the opposite if you stop to think about it for a few seconds. What is special about this community is that all of us can talk, from both side of the speakers.
I think your post was arogant and didn't give minimum credit to two long time contributors here, who sure do here much more than self promote, and definitely are not about ego.
I think an appology is due.
As for links to their music- you can always use google. It works for me.
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IsraTrance Full Member
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Posted : Feb 24, 2009 01:15
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On 2009-02-23 22:26, BrainLizzard wrote:
What is OOOD or Kino Oko or Bigwigs doing that's so different? When i heard Bigwigs back in the day, I liked it but it was under par, same for OOOD, all my fluff friends like it but its not what moves me to dance. Fluff isn't a bad thing, so lets say psyhouse music, something to entertain your guest with around your home when dancing isn't the focus.. show me what's so different.Kino Oko, not a house hold name where I'm at, who is that? shoot me a link so I can report back. Have they made it yet? Please direct me to a track that's really different..Procs is really different and so is Psykovsky. The World economy isn't that good so can the kiss kiss and self promotion step aside with its ego for a second, please?
Remember, this my perception and I'm asking for links and artist names so newcomers can have reference points and so I can reflect with more artist that fit the time slot as well.... I'm confused why everyone is avoiding something so simple...
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obviusly you need to clear your ears.
"The dedication to repetition — the search for nirvana in a single held tone or an endlessly cycling rhythm — is one of electronic music's noblest gestures." |
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TimeTraveller
IsraTrance Full Member
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Posted : Feb 24, 2009 01:48
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great musicians I know some sounds from them spirits for very long and this is magic art more than any psy formula.Maybe its too different for your ears.Could be.
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BrainLizzard
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Posted : Feb 24, 2009 02:35
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Hi, I'm very sorry to make people judge me by thinking my ear's are wrong and what not...
I've been here for a very long time watching the formula and its so old how people talk down to other sound with not one reference. Now I'm asking to mirror and give reflection, which are nothing but positive movements. Night time music just doesn't tell newcomers anything.. However, the direction that ones are taking this does say a lot about the artist intentions. This also effects what good music is from the heart. Why do I feel people are hiding something?
A link would actually help..
Why, don't we quit it and just cowboy up by giving references. lets evolve, It's about music, right?
Please don't make me the problem, people want to know so, they can learn..
"If You Always Think What You've Always Thought, You Will Always Feel What You've Always Felt" |
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Colin OOOD
OOOD/Voice of Cod
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Posted : Feb 24, 2009 03:40
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On 2009-02-23 22:26, BrainLizzard wrote:
What is OOOD or Kino Oko or Bigwigs doing that's so different? ... I'm asking for links and artist names so newcomers can have reference points and so I can reflect with more artist that fit the time slot as well.... I'm confused why everyone is avoiding something so simple...
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I'm not sure if you're referring to Kino Oko or OOOD here but if you want links to either of our material you'll find them in our signatures. Is that simple enough for you? 
Mastering - http://mastering.OOOD.net :: www.is.gd/mastering
OOOD 5th album 'You Think You Are' - www.is.gd/tobuyoood :: www.OOOD.net
www.facebook.com/OOOD.music :: www.soundcloud.com/oood
Contact for bookings/mastering - colin@oood.net |
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faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht
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Posted : Feb 24, 2009 05:06
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discussed in 473053708 topics, + agreed and "+1" and everything.
i think 2009-2010 is going to be a turning point.
it's on so so so so many minds, collective change you know? ebb and flow..... like a sine <3
The Way Back
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mk47
Inactive User
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Posted : Feb 24, 2009 05:43
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aaa , is not so bad really , problem is folks boxing themselves into a little corner with their very rigid ideas of `good` and `bad` music , the full on folk wont listen to dark or prog , the dark fans wont accept any tune with a melody as psychedelic , and everything is too kiddy and retarded for prog people .. i know im generalizing , but it is kinda like that i feel .. exploar moar 
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V3NOM
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Posted : Feb 24, 2009 07:17
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I just don't like the idea that a certain sound becomes the norm and therefore makes the whole scene sound generic.
This applies I think to almost every single sub genre except ambient/chillout.
Everything in music becomes generic after a while, whether it is pop, rock, metal, classical or electronic.
Human get bored and they need to find something that provides that stimulus again.
If you find this scene boring or generic or yadayada then maybe you should STFU and find another new scene to follow
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