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Crying Orc Project
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Posted : Feb 22, 2009 17:41:53
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Hello psy people
i wanted to share with u some thoughts i have in mind for quite a while now.
for the last 4 years, i dont hear any devalopment in our lovelly trance music.
more and more artits are coming up, but no one brings something new, fresh, and unexpected.
it's just '' the same lady, with a diffrent dress '' something even with the same dress, but with diffrent colors.
what that i'm trying to say is, when have we came to be so predictable ?
so un musical ?
where are all the musicians gone ?
the dreamers with theyre uniqe visons ?
the werid crazy sick minds with wicked ideas ?
all gone ! seems like the music have beacome more physical then spiritual in our state of mind.
I Want more Experimental music, even if i dont really like it like the last Psykovsky album, i admire is creativity.
it's uniqe and fresh and wierd, like something i ever heard beafor. and that's exactlly what we need.
I Want more Musical Mysterious Psy Like Derango.
I Want More Endless Music like Hallucinogen and the rest of the old psy gang.
Dont you want something fresh and unexpected ?
arent u tired from this none musical psy, and from the repeatative predictable trance ?
just wanted to share my feelings and thoughts wth you.
i'll be glad to see some comments.
Be Uniqe !
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psycho-italiano
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Posted : Feb 22, 2009 18:19
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if the so called: Money will be worthless & useless someday (that's a dream 4 sure) and what we will have on the earth is only: Food , Acid & Computers. then we will have again psychedelic music that you , me and every real psychedelic mind wish 2 have buddy  !
today there is few old expeienced creative ones that still amaze with new music as Electric Universe and Sun Project!
even tho they create Full On , but still they kick Ass and super energetic that can burn any dance floor , maybe with less psychedelic/trippy than derango but they do still bomb any mind with their powerful music...
Peace
The Alien
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kriz
Horrordelic Records
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Posted : Feb 22, 2009 19:43
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I feel alot have happend.. from darker and faster darkpsy to more progressive tunes...And the fullon camp, well maybe not so much have happend.. But still great releases in all "camps"...
I feel the psyscene have splitted into many directions, something not all like... But this way we can develop and take care of what we want...
So many great artists that experiment and create new kinds of experiences on the dancefloor..
experimenting with the bpm is also coming more and more, with tracks like 152 - 120 - 180 . 152.. So we get a real bumpy psychedelic ride !
3o~ kriz aka krize 3o~ ....Horrordelic Records.... http://www.horrordelic.com
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Inner Demon
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Posted : Feb 22, 2009 20:25
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Although it feels a bit sad, this type of slow stagnation isn't reserved for the psychedelic trance. I miss the days when dark sounded really fresh and every other sound was some unexpected magic that I hadn't heard before. Still happens, but rarely.
The point is... how much development have you seen in the hip hop scene the last few years? In my mind, none to speak of.
Asking the same question for rock and metal is almost laughable. Seems like the oldies have to keep touring the world despite being 80, with walking sticks or in wheelchairs.
It gets harder to be original, but still the possibilities should be endless really. I'm very much confounded as to what will be the state of music in say 40-50 years from now.....any ideas? |
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kriz
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Posted : Feb 22, 2009 20:32
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hehe true Inner Demon..Interesting ideas, gets my mind spinning thinking about what music really is.. what limits there is to a cetain genre, to be that genre....
maybe its more about emotions, to create certain emotions through the experience of music and dance (and art etc..)...
3o~ kriz aka krize 3o~ ....Horrordelic Records.... http://www.horrordelic.com
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shellbound
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Posted : Feb 22, 2009 21:24
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is it that time of the month again for another round on this topic?
first of all, you don't hear anything new because this genre isn't new to YOU any more. when you heard this music for the first time, EVERYTHING was new to you and if you liked the elements you heard, then most likely you liked everything you heard. you didn't know the difference between good and bad, original or derivative. it was new. it was fresh to you. it sounded great. that's all. as the years passed, you zeroed in on all those elements that define the genre. things that a lot of artists do. so, sure, psy changed over the years. but you've changed as well.
another thing is that it was easier to be original when it was uncharted territory and not a lot of people were creating this kind of music. now, as the years passed, people explored a lot of these things. think of the sheer volume of music that has been created.
and, sure, there are infinite possibilities on one hand. if you tweak this parameter slightly here, the sound becomes slightly different, and there are an infinite number of permutations of all these tweaks. on the other hand, a rolling saw bass is still a rolling saw bass, and if it's boring to you, then there's nothing that can be done about that, even though there's an infinite number of flavors of how that rolling saw bass can sound.
is the music boring to you on the MICRO or MACRO level? there are some things that simply define this genre and complaining about that is like complaining that F# is such an overused note or those fucking annoying guitars that everyone plays in their rock songs.
go listen to some richard devine or autechre. pure sonic fuckery without any limitations. is it psy? no. why not? once you list all the reasons why it's not psy, suddenly you have a formula. the same formula that all the artists you are complaining about use.
it's a fine line of moving things forward, without breaking with tradition and getting to some place where the music can't even be defined as psy any more.
you are also looking at it from within. kind of like how it's difficult to see how people grow or age, when you see their faces every single day. there are changes in this music. they just happen slowly over time. things evolve.
i don't remember the last time i complained about lack of good music around (if ever). if i over saturate myself with psy and become sick of it, then it's probably time to listen to something else for a change. it usually happens organically any way. i just randomly bust out an old Death album or some Venetian Snares or whatever. and boom. a whole new world opened up again and i'm off. chills down the spine and all that. the world is awesome again. shit, you don't even need to go so far off psy. there are so many different flavors of psy. it's a massive genre.
anyway, this rant can be summarized in one sentence: take a break and discover something else because it's a big world out there; when you return, things will evolve and even the stuff that is boring you now will be fresh TO YOU once again. |
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thegooddale
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Posted : Feb 22, 2009 21:41
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On 2009-02-22 20:25, Inner Demon wrote:
Although it feels a bit sad, this type of slow stagnation isn't reserved for the psychedelic trance. I miss the days when dark sounded really fresh and every other sound was some unexpected magic that I hadn't heard before. Still happens, but rarely.
The point is... how much development have you seen in the hip hop scene the last few years? In my mind, none to speak of.
Asking the same question for rock and metal is almost laughable. Seems like the oldies have to keep touring the world despite being 80, with walking sticks or in wheelchairs.
It gets harder to be original, but still the possibilities should be endless really. I'm very much confounded as to what will be the state of music in say 40-50 years from now.....any ideas?
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There is a ton of new sound being pushed in the metal scene. Also, the hip hop scene has plenty of movement in the last few years. Just call 2813308004 if you don't believe me...
And as far as rock music and evolution is concerned, three words... The Mars Volta
I've actually quite liked some of the releases I have gotten as of late in the psytrance genre. But, it is suffering from inbreeding I would say. |
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BrainLizzard
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Posted : Feb 23, 2009 00:32
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From my perception, the industry of Flow/Artist/Dj's are nothing but STANDARDS.. As long as it stays that way or as we become able to recognize them, we will always know whats coming. The limits seem to be maxed by the standards, very boring for people who have sustained the scene over time. I hope the Artist/dj's aren't really doing music just to please the new people.
"If You Always Think What You've Always Thought, You Will Always Feel What You've Always Felt" |
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Soul Kontakt
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Posted : Feb 23, 2009 01:52
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I think it takes a really long time to develope something which is new and fresh because now apart from that you need to reach to todays quality and man it takes a long time! But don't worry time is not important music is, so just wait until you find it again, it still lives and it will be unleashed again even better and stronger than ever! I am quite happy to know now that music is endless it will come again even better than before because we will alltogether make it so...It's question of time to develope it's massive beats and stories but then i am sure it will be worth it man! You miss the psychedelic i understand oh the hell do i miss it too! I would love to be able to dance and enjoy like i did before but with this music of today i can't even move! I feel stupid in dancefloor and uncomfortable and the feeling that this is not my place keeps on popping to my head!
Simple the music has changed from psychedelic to something else! Psychedelic Music thought me to be a happy person, to work hard to try and protect mother nature, to give good energy to the people, to love everyone as your brother and sister, to be able to communicate your feelings with everyone and to join together in the tribe we all dream to be! Music used to send me messages plus make me dance like crazy!
Now instead of takeing it to the next step they took it to a lower level so they make more money attracting not people who love the music but people who love money and looks, thus resulting in an unspiritual envoirnment which i do not like at all.
So yes we are working on that sound which you would like to hear and it's been really difficult to make it happen but the results are showing now after 5 years of work and soon we can start our psychedelic dream and make it become a reality.
If you are interested in psychedelic music follow our sound we are focused on producing something really original, fresh, serious, intense and psychedelic.
Hope to meet you someday and dance to some amazing trance music...
Boom :)
SOUL KONTAKT - 12th Planet new track on www.myspace.com/soulkontakt
Soul Kontakt Live for demo or booking email soulkontakt@hotmail.com
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phoonadza
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Posted : Feb 23, 2009 03:36
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in the last 4 years Electrypnose create the best music ever created by man in all the human Hystory...I am proud to be here right now. |
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bbgun
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Posted : Feb 23, 2009 05:18
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agree with you 100% david.
im listening to old psychotic micros. wowww
np psychomicro - fright night |
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BrainLizzard
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Posted : Feb 23, 2009 05:30
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What precisely is Psychedelic Music without opinion?
Personally, I can't answer the question accurately without bringing my Psychedelic minds experiences into play and many people will write off as subjective. I know Psychedelic itself, is a mental state which is KEY to a psychedelic experience, music is a tool. Most music focuses on creating the artist/dj's perception of what their experience/perception is, referencing towards Psychedelic Music. If I were to say today's new sound isn't Psychedelic but what I'm doing is would only be true for me and whoever shares my perception. Hopefully, someone would tell me to wake up, eat more and explore the word research or let go of that processed eggo waffle by Kellogg's food chain. What are the absolute facts surrounding Psychedelic in music?
Myself, I'm a veteran to this movement and I'm still seeking/exploring the boundaries along with the new psychedelic music today. Which is still doing exploratory Psychedelic research which is one of many things the original GoaTrance music taught me when it was breaking/making standards.
Oh, its not melodic so it's not Psychedelic Music... Who hasn't heard that one?.. Lots of dancers/artist/dj's out grow or evolve from training wheels to keep it goan.. Our movement isn't a DEAD Show based around one sound for 30 years. It is perfectly fine if you think it is, because it was/is Psychedelic. Attempts in classification of music is a function of the human mind.
I can hear the Goa roots in today's new sound, I'm bored with mimicking sounds of yesteryear on a personal level.
It will come again for some who are comfortable with the old sound today. It will have incorporated the now sound with it and continue moving forward. Look at music's history, it follows energy flow and goes in a circular motion.. Some could say, we are in the punk metal gore/core leaning toward grunge phaze seeking indie but not over done glam...
Someone said "rock and metal is almost laughable. Seems like the oldies have to keep touring the world despite being 80, with walking sticks or in wheelchairs."....
Why is GoaTrance any different? It's not... What exactly does one think by hanging on to the old Goa sound is becoming?
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aXis
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Posted : Feb 23, 2009 05:57
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On 2009-02-23 03:36, phoonadza wrote:
in the last 4 years Electrypnose create the best music ever created by man in all the human Hystory...I am proud to be here right now.
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this is the basic truth of life.
David . Listen to electrypnose. |
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aXis
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Posted : Feb 23, 2009 06:01
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anyways, this kinda topic is a little self pity-ish , i understand where the feeling comes from tho.
But hey, Iv realised, Darkpsy or so called night psy killed the fucking scene.
There are some killer technicians making darkpsy, But there hardly is any music there .
On the other hand, some Musicians broke ground, and well they are ur household names like kdd psykovsky electrypnose. |
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BrainLizzard
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Posted : Feb 23, 2009 06:49
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On 2009-02-23 06:01, aXis wrote:
But hey, Iv realised, Darkpsy or so called night psy killed the fucking scene.
There are some killer technicians making darkpsy, But there hardly is any music there .
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That's defiantly one way of looking at it and another way: It's just the changing of the guard. The new parties start off with what the standards today, which are so 90's, call morning trance and go from there..
Different stokes for different folks or To each his own.. 
If a robber tried to rob a dance club and yelled, “Everybody get down”, would all the people start dancing?
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"If You Always Think What You've Always Thought, You Will Always Feel What You've Always Felt" |
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