when you make dark trance fast, its not dark anymore

On 2010-03-04 16:00, ocelot wrote:

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On 2010-03-04 15:16, Elad wrote: A-HA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NcakCpZcGg&feature=related your frustration about not making psytrance your job is quite funny , you try to sell very un-needed product my friend its time to realize that (and yes i like your music but i think the same for ANY psy music its just not commerce that the supply is rare and that the demand is high) btw LOLZ - http://www.last.fm/tag/dark%20psy and that hole dark = mosquito theory is rubbish , listen to some FAT dark aka Entropy , Hefty output , Pondscum etc.

im shocked at your (i hope not deliberate) misinterpretation of my post

dark trance is dark trance. its good for a night set for example on an open air party.

Elad my friend, im not talking about the heavy slow stuff, which i commend you may note.
im ripping on this trendy fast shit.

come on.

you think im trying to sell an un-needed product? hmmm
you should know better than to say such things. perhaps the people who like my music would disagree with you...

but please- i dont want to stop you if you feel like suddenly stabbing your friend in the back by all means show your true colours.

i'll say it again and in less pc terms

fast psy (dark or fullon or whatever)
is GAY (and i dont mean homosexual. i mean it in the grade-school derogatory sense of the word)
a disco beat (which is what a trance beat is if you think about it) at high bpms is GAY.

and its just a coverup for the fact that most of that music and the people making it put zero care into the MUSIC and focus instead on maximum twitch and flip potential- freaking the bassline out etc...

On 2010-03-04 15:54, ocelot wrote:

ummm no i have bookings. that i have.
if you want to be precise you should know that i complained that i am not on 'any of the large festivals' this coming summer.
i.e. ozora boom fullmoon etc...
perhaps i will get on boom chillout and vuuv. im trying still...
but bookings i have. usually too many for the same weekend and some other weekends sit empty...and usually its the dark parties that dont pay much because theres 10 new killer acts that charge 200 euros or something... are you one of those?

On 2010-03-05 01:42, Axis Mundi wrote:

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On 2010-03-04 15:54, ocelot wrote: ummm no i have bookings. that i have. if you want to be precise you should know that i complained that i am not on 'any of the large festivals' this coming summer. i.e. ozora boom fullmoon etc... perhaps i will get on boom chillout and vuuv. im trying still... but bookings i have. usually too many for the same weekend and some other weekends sit empty...and usually its the dark parties that dont pay much because theres 10 new killer acts that charge 200 euros or something... are you one of those?

I didn't say you weren't getting bookings. I said you weren't getting the bookings you feel you're entitled to.

Yes, actually 200 euros minimum is what I asked for when I was in Europe last year. The reasons why were: 1.) As I was living in Germany, I had a regular job, teaching English, at a kindergarten and through a private agency, thus I didn't need to rely on bookings for income. 2.) I am a relative unknown, and couldn't justify charging high amounts. 3.) I was more interested in traveling, meeting people, and having good times than making an income from psy-trance.

I'm happy to say that I was successful in all my goals. I had some really great times, visited lots of new places, and met lots of people who have since become good friends. I was definitely blessed and very thankful that I've been able to do what I've done. I couldn't have asked for more, really. As it was, I felt the relative meager amount that I was asking for was quickly giving me a money-minded mentality which I didn't really care for personally. It didn't sit well with the original reason I got into this music in the first place... because I love it. I'd be doing it even if everybody else in the world hated the outcome. Plenty of other artists I met told me I was selling myself short, and plenty of artists whom I met who shared similar frustrations with yours also seemed to share a similar mentality with you regarding the states of their careers.

I'm guessing attitudes like that frustrate the hell out of you, and if so, I'm sorry. However I'm not in competition with you or anybody else for bookings etc. so I don't see any reason to stop doing what I've been doing or change my policies since it has made me happy and very fortunate until now and only seems to be looking brighter for me.

The best advice I can humbly offer if you are not happy with the state of things is: 1.) Don't be motivated by money, status or fame to make music. Then, the music becomes its own reward and it may be easier to recognize that anything else that comes your way is what it is: an added bonus, blessing, and reward for your talent and efforts.

Or,

2.) Stop making music, at least for a while, and try to find something else to do that brings you satisfaction (even if it means you have to find a regular "normal" job -- to quote Colin OOOD, nobody ever stops paying their dues.) Maybe when you come back to it you may see things in a more refreshing way.

On 2010-03-05 01:52, ocelot wrote:

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On 2010-03-05 01:42, Axis Mundi wrote: Quote: On 2010-03-04 15:54, ocelot wrote: ummm no i have bookings. that i have. if you want to be precise you should know that i complained that i am not on 'any of the large festivals' this coming summer. i.e. ozora boom fullmoon etc... perhaps i will get on boom chillout and vuuv. im trying still... but bookings i have. usually too many for the same weekend and some other weekends sit empty...and usually its the dark parties that dont pay much because theres 10 new killer acts that charge 200 euros or something... are you one of those? I didn't say you weren't getting bookings. I said you weren't getting the bookings you feel you're entitled to. Yes, actually 200 euros minimum is what I asked for when I was in Europe last year. The reasons why were: 1.) As I was living in Germany, I had a regular job, teaching English, at a kindergarten and through a private agency, thus I didn't need to rely on bookings for income. 2.) I am a relative unknown, and couldn't justify charging high amounts. 3.) I was more interested in traveling, meeting people, and having good times than making an income from psy-trance. I'm happy to say that I was successful in all my goals. I had some really great times, visited lots of new places, and met lots of people who have since become good friends. I was definitely blessed and very thankful that I've been able to do what I've done. I couldn't have asked for more, really. As it was, I felt the relative meager amount that I was asking for was quickly giving me a money-minded mentality which I didn't really care for personally. It didn't sit well with the original reason I got into this music in the first place... because I love it. I'd be doing it even if everybody else in the world hated the outcome. Plenty of other artists I met told me I was selling myself short, and plenty of artists whom I met who shared similar frustrations with yours also seemed to share a similar mentality with you regarding the states of their careers. I'm guessing attitudes like that frustrate the hell out of you, and if so, I'm sorry. However I'm not in competition with you or anybody else for bookings etc. so I don't see any reason to stop doing what I've been doing or change my policies since it has made me happy and very fortunate until now and only seems to be looking brighter for me. The best advice I can humbly offer if you are not happy with the state of things is: 1.) Don't be motivated by money, status or fame to make music. Then, the music becomes its own reward and it may be easier to recognize that anything else that comes your way is what it is: an added bonus, blessing, and reward for your talent and efforts. Or, 2.) Stop making music, at least for a while, and try to find something else to do that brings you satisfaction (even if it means you have to find a regular "normal" job -- to quote Colin OOOD, nobody ever stops paying their dues.) Maybe when you come back to it you may see things in a more refreshing way.

now this makes sense to me. i may not wish to be in the same position as you are willing to put yourself in, but i can totally respect what you are saying.

you have music. you know its not well known. you want to give it a shot and get some experiences and so you shall.
go for it. i think its great.

colin ought to know a thing or 2 over the years... i remember his 160bpm experiments in the middle 90's...

and i am speaking publicly in a way that most of my better knowing friends would say is suicidal to my career. idiotic even.
im aware of this. i have to speak my truth and to stand for what i feel is the essence of psychedelic- to challenge the herd mentality and to question authority and status quo and to always push... push push...
if i finally end up dead in a ditch one day from some angry fast-trance fan knifing me in the back, it will have been worth it for the freedom in insist on.
you see- you can hold a gun to my head whatever but i control the muscles in my tongue and my thoughts until my body is dead. no one else owns me. ever. i am free. geniuinely free. i dont give a flying fuck!
or at least- i refuse to allow fear to rule my world...
if i fail at this music and if one day no one really wants to hear my music, then i guess i will go back to tech support and maybe even construction and home repairs. farming.... whatever... the way i see it- i have this life to make something with the talents and gifts i was given as aaron-

at this moment i feel unprecedented support from so many people and i know in my heart what i am representing and all the bullying in the world (and yes its bullying when its 200 attacking one and like 3 defending... uncoordinated by the way. i dont send my friends here with msn links some some people do...im ok to go it alone if need be...) will never ever stop me.

show me your true faces.
i respect your post axis mundi.

my dad always told me, think before you talk ,,, 10 times

On 2010-03-05 02:00, psykomaniac wrote:

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On 2010-03-05 01:52, ocelot wrote: Quote: On 2010-03-05 01:42, Axis Mundi wrote: Quote: On 2010-03-04 15:54, ocelot wrote: ummm no i have bookings. that i have. if you want to be precise you should know that i complained that i am not on 'any of the large festivals' this coming summer. i.e. ozora boom fullmoon etc... perhaps i will get on boom chillout and vuuv. im trying still... but bookings i have. usually too many for the same weekend and some other weekends sit empty...and usually its the dark parties that dont pay much because theres 10 new killer acts that charge 200 euros or something... are you one of those? I didn't say you weren't getting bookings. I said you weren't getting the bookings you feel you're entitled to. Yes, actually 200 euros minimum is what I asked for when I was in Europe last year. The reasons why were: 1.) As I was living in Germany, I had a regular job, teaching English, at a kindergarten and through a private agency, thus I didn't need to rely on bookings for income. 2.) I am a relative unknown, and couldn't justify charging high amounts. 3.) I was more interested in traveling, meeting people, and having good times than making an income from psy-trance. I'm happy to say that I was successful in all my goals. I had some really great times, visited lots of new places, and met lots of people who have since become good friends. I was definitely blessed and very thankful that I've been able to do what I've done. I couldn't have asked for more, really. As it was, I felt the relative meager amount that I was asking for was quickly giving me a money-minded mentality which I didn't really care for personally. It didn't sit well with the original reason I got into this music in the first place... because I love it. I'd be doing it even if everybody else in the world hated the outcome. Plenty of other artists I met told me I was selling myself short, and plenty of artists whom I met who shared similar frustrations with yours also seemed to share a similar mentality with you regarding the states of their careers. I'm guessing attitudes like that frustrate the hell out of you, and if so, I'm sorry. However I'm not in competition with you or anybody else for bookings etc. so I don't see any reason to stop doing what I've been doing or change my policies since it has made me happy and very fortunate until now and only seems to be looking brighter for me. The best advice I can humbly offer if you are not happy with the state of things is: 1.) Don't be motivated by money, status or fame to make music. Then, the music becomes its own reward and it may be easier to recognize that anything else that comes your way is what it is: an added bonus, blessing, and reward for your talent and efforts. Or, 2.) Stop making music, at least for a while, and try to find something else to do that brings you satisfaction (even if it means you have to find a regular "normal" job -- to quote Colin OOOD, nobody ever stops paying their dues.) Maybe when you come back to it you may see things in a more refreshing way. now this makes sense to me. i may not wish to be in the same position as you are willing to put yourself in, but i can totally respect what you are saying. you have music. you know its not well known. you want to give it a shot and get some experiences and so you shall. go for it. i think its great. colin ought to know a thing or 2 over the years... i remember his 160bpm experiments in the middle 90's... and i am speaking publicly in a way that most of my better knowing friends would say is suicidal to my career. idiotic even. im aware of this. i have to speak my truth and to stand for what i feel is the essence of psychedelic- to challenge the herd mentality and to question authority and status quo and to always push... push push... if i finally end up dead in a ditch one day from some angry fast-trance fan knifing me in the back, it will have been worth it for the freedom in insist on. you see- you can hold a gun to my head whatever but i control the muscles in my tongue and my thoughts until my body is dead. no one else owns me. ever. i am free. geniuinely free. i dont give a flying fuck! or at least- i refuse to allow fear to rule my world... if i fail at this music and if one day no one really wants to hear my music, then i guess i will go back to tech support and maybe even construction and home repairs. farming.... whatever... the way i see it- i have this life to make something with the talents and gifts i was given as aaron- at this moment i feel unprecedented support from so many people and i know in my heart what i am representing and all the bullying in the world (and yes its bullying when its 200 attacking one and like 3 defending... uncoordinated by the way. i dont send my friends here with msn links some some people do...im ok to go it alone if need be...) will never ever stop me. show me your true faces. i respect your post axis mundi.

ok screww all this....... man ocelot ur a chut.... people trying to prove something are also chuts..............as a matter of fact this entire fucking isratrance is gay, what started as a partie source has gone and become some sort of frkn ego booster.... people trying to prve everything to oneanother...... man, plus ocelot and axis mundi, what do you do the whole day just isra ranting and writing essays....... now im no one to say anything, just noticing all the fryness all around... man plug out your computer and go to the woods...... if not go get a life.........

my dad always told me, think before you talk ,,, 10 times

and one more thing........ somebody once said on ,,, cut the cheese, keep it real, actions speak louder than words......

bOm