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jeeboomba
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Posted : Mar 4, 2011 08:33:01
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how do you know it's yours? i play guitar sometimes and i come up with things that sound very much like what i've heard before..... so, what i'm askng is, what are we selling when we sell our tracks? i've seen people say heres my link and you can buy the track for $$$.. how do you know you're the owner?? |
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makus
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jeeboomba
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Posted : Mar 4, 2011 10:27
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ok.. bad place to ask i guess.. peace |
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supergroover
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Posted : Mar 4, 2011 10:34
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Well someone that buys the track never knows for sure if it is your track. But usually people trust eachother.
And some artists have a certain style that is really difficult to copy. they have their own signature so you can really hear if it is a track they made or someone else. But basically it comes down to trust.
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jeeboomba
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Posted : Mar 4, 2011 13:04
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@super yeah i see that as a buyer.. but i was asking from the point of a composer.. can you be sure that a melody you came up with is 'yours'?
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orgytime
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Posted : Mar 4, 2011 14:13
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jeeboomba
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Posted : Mar 4, 2011 14:21
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ok.. then what is our role here? say, to maybe translate it in some way...
i get what you mean orgy... thanks for the replies to this stupid question.. peace |
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Grevinsky
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Posted : Mar 4, 2011 16:53
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On 2011-03-04 14:21, jeeboomba wrote:
ok.. then what is our role here? say, to maybe translate it in some way...
i get what you mean orgy... thanks for the replies to this stupid question.. peace
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Either we must find what is already there, Or we must create what wasent there. Thats our job! |
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jekvan
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Posted : Mar 4, 2011 17:06
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On 2011-03-04 14:21, jeeboomba wrote:
ok.. then what is our role here? say, to maybe translate it in some way...
i get what you mean orgy... thanks for the replies to this stupid question.. peace
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I ask myself that same question a lot,in my engineering studies.I force myself to act nothing more then a human calculator day by day(engineering is very rigid discipline,you don't invent shit,you just calculate by rules ,which someone else before you calculated,or just invented-yea,invented.
Basicaly,what I'm trying to say,for me,engineering is not my idea of best use of my creative powers,but as an ingeneer you can do something new,just you have to follow outlines,that have been set by other peoples).
If you follow my path of thought,creativity can take several shapes.The art of making something out of nothing (and not only music) consists of different type of people:
1)Innovators,people who do not follow the rules,or trend.They learn those,to disregard them,and create something that does not follow any guideline known before.Those are pioneers.
2)"engineer" type creators,people who work by rules set.Nothing wrong with that I think,those rules exist because those rules work.
You can find that type of people in any creative sector,musicians,scientists,writers.
There is an excellent documentary on youtube,called "how music works".It shows exactly the development of musical rules set,and how people followed them for centuries,because it works.
But do not despair,my friend.Everything my be allready exists,in the sense that you cannot surprise universe with anything  .But you can surprise our species,by many more misteries this universe has in its existence.We live in age,where you don't need "preset" tool like guitar,citar,balalayka,violin,piano and whatnot.Those days innovator musicians deal with sound frequinces,sound harmonics,sounds that you can shape with your own keyboard,sounds that can influence you profoundly...Psychoacoustics,and binaural effects,you name it.
If you hear something and have the feeling you heard it somewhere else,that is because people follow the rules that has been tought to them by their musical teachers.That is because western musical theory of harmony,melody,rithm is set in stone and tought the same way to thousand of musicians,who then use their creativity to "engineer" new stuff,but hey-its the same chords,its the same progression,its the same musical tools.
Electronical music pioneers were avanguard people in the age,when folks thought that music is explored to its maximum.They sat hours tweaking with knobs,when they knew absolutely nothing how it will end up (I personally couldn't have that kind of patience at all),they trully created new stuff.
So do not despair my friend,that is the natural progression of our once monkey banana eating species.As I write those lines,same brave soul worthy to be called ARTIST sits in his basement ,comprehending sounds in a different way then us. |
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Grevinsky
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Posted : Mar 4, 2011 18:09
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Beautiful speech jekvan! |
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Elad
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Posted : Mar 5, 2011 16:33
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On 2011-03-04 14:13, orgytime wrote:
everything alrdy exists...
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cosmically its true - the idea is allready out there...
in reality no , not all been done. i didnt hear no heavy metal remix for shiva chandra track , or trance using real complex melodies in any form (something in high standard of music , not arpeggio on AM chord)
also... so what if the melody existed before
what matter is the output if its something new and sound good then great. just like loops. and we dont want to start goat farm 
psy artist allready work hardest , in house scene the first step to make a track is decide what (known) melody you gonna use and from what song to steal the loop lol its funny but leagal , and slowly i get to realize its also nothing bad all about having fun whatever way possible
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magner
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Posted : Mar 6, 2011 04:48
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music is a from of art, like painting, if an artist draws a painting of an old house, doesnt mean some other dude is not going to draw a painting of another old house, people will still buy it and you will still like it.
There will always be something different in your tracks that you wont feel like you copied from someone else.
Take a movie for instance, some jap horror movie with a great screenplay converted in a big hollywood flick that makes millions!, story is still the same, but either one or the other is going to have something better or worse compared to the other one. so from a director point of view its still an accomplishment in the end, and same thing goes for music. |
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Mike A
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Posted : Mar 6, 2011 10:47
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On 2011-03-04 14:13, orgytime wrote:
everything alrdy exists...
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Indeed.
After all, there is so many ways to combine 12 notes in ways that sound good, and so many ways to make chord progressions that will sound appealing.
But the fact that you use a I-vi-VI-V progression doesn't mean that you're recycling stuff. That's how music works - you don't have to apologize for this.
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Sanathana
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Posted : Mar 6, 2011 11:23
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This is an excellent question Very deep and thought of question IMO.
The answer to this also will vary based on different peoples point of view.
Someone here mentioned music is like art. That is absolutely right.
If what you composed is based on ur own melodies, chords, notes etc... then it is still very unique and ur own. However, there are other direct or indirect influencers in not just music BUT LIFE in general --- The sub conscious.
We learn and absorb a lot of things and it gets stored in our sub conscious unknowingly most of the time. This process starts off from a very tender age. This sub conscious storage of info also includes music / notes / melody / tune - call it whatever you want Thus, i can understand why you asked this question
Even if you cannot actually think and point out a tune / melody that your genuine tune sounds like, there is always a possibility that the combination of chords / melody and the like has already been used before. This old tune / melody you may have heard and stored it in ur sub conscious or maybe not! and it is unique but still sounds like something someone has composed before
No matter what, your input into this is still unique The overall layout / structure / placement and the like is still yours as long as you have not literally copied a LOOP from an existing track and used it calling it urs
Great question and im sure the answer too will vary based on different peoples way of thinking
The above is just the way i think
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Cosmic Tandav
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Posted : Mar 6, 2011 11:47
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On 2011-03-06 11:23, Sanathana wrote:
This is an excellent question Very deep and thought of question IMO.
The answer to this also will vary based on different peoples point of view.
Someone here mentioned music is like art. That is absolutely right.
If what you composed is based on ur own melodies, chords, notes etc... then it is still very unique and ur own. However, there are other direct or indirect influencers in not just music BUT LIFE in general --- The sub conscious.
We learn and absorb a lot of things and it gets stored in our sub conscious unknowingly most of the time. This process starts off from a very tender age. This sub conscious storage of info also includes music / notes / melody / tune - call it whatever you want Thus, i can understand why you asked this question
Even if you cannot actually think and point out a tune / melody that your genuine tune sounds like, there is always a possibility that the combination of chords / melody and the like has already been used before. This old tune / melody you may have heard and stored it in ur sub conscious or maybe not! and it is unique but still sounds like something someone has composed before
No matter what, your input into this is still unique The overall layout / structure / placement and the like is still yours as long as you have not literally copied a LOOP from an existing track and used it calling it urs
Great question and im sure the answer too will vary based on different peoples way of thinking
The above is just the way i think
PLUR
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totally agree with u ...
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