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Posted : May 5, 2013 19:59:35
Was listening to some astral projection and noticed that what makes it really psychedelic are all the FX bouncing around.
So now I'm trying to emulate it and wondering at what point other people make the FX?
After the melody?After most of the song arrangement?Just to support everything else in the track? first ?
I know there are no "rules" but when do YOU like to work on them?
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Posted : May 5, 2013 20:15
i stared to do some at the begining usualy..cause i often used them right from the begining of arranging..so was making one on the fly as soon as i needed one
now i think a better workflow is to make like 50/100 fx.. so you separate the process of creating them and making music and can just use the best one ,that what i would do right now and do some more later if needed .. it dont take much time i recorded a session the other day i may have like 200/300 dry fx in 2 hours or a bit more.. just recording and tweaking synth...a lot are very similar but it let me choose only the best one
creating some sounds can take from few minutes to hours..so for me it would be necessary to separate the process of creating materials to use in tunes and arranging/making music to not break the inspirational process as much as possible .
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Posted : May 6, 2013 07:44
Thanks Pom
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Posted : May 6, 2013 14:54
Depends on your track, you can see that in your process when you making your track. As you are in process you gonna feel what you need here and there.
Some of fx are good for the intro, some crashes with fx sounds and atmospheric weird noises after the break, some for the rhythm and some for to support the melody and so on...
Very important is how you gonna use your effects (delay, reverb, eq, disto etc) on your fx sounds...you must make your sounds to fit nice on your tune...just some good fx sounds here and there will be nothing without tweak em properly.
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Posted : May 6, 2013 15:00
Hi,
to me FX are something i add to a track when the arrangement is done or when i am bored or out of ideas, then i click through some fx-samples an play around with them, sometimes that brings some new ideas...sometimes
What i do though is use 3-5 common FX (sweep, downsweep, stabs eg) and put them into the song during the creating process at the places where i think they must be, e.g if there is a drop or something. These FX are just Reminders and when a track is nearly done i replace these "placeholder FX" with FX that sound right and suit the track.
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Posted : May 6, 2013 15:07
I focus on 16 bars and try to get them finished, before I move on to the next 16 bars.
So I just focus on each bar and think about what I need, record the midi sequence and program the patch paccordingly...for example if I want an FM riser for the last 4 bars of the 16bar segment, I program one and focus on making it fit with what ever is going on there...or if I want an FX hit to play with the crash, I make sure there is barely any top end if the FX whilst the crash is playing and bring it the extra harmonics when the crash has faded....little things that make sounds stand out in the mix...very important not to have a mess of things.
Having said that, I also record long takes of modulation sounds and choose the best bits to put in parts of the arrangement...depends on my mood and what gear I have hooked up at the moment.
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Posted : May 6, 2013 16:47
All good answers, Thanks.
So, to summarize for myself: fuck around with some synths and create a bunch of sounds, as I'm making the track and feel something put it there, when done with most of the arrangement go back and focus on 16 bar sections and add/tweak sounds so they fit in place.
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Posted : May 6, 2013 16:48
yeah totally depend the mood of the day tbh.. but lfx can be part of the flow of my tunes..like often in nectarios tune i find, i really like that . so it can not be really done in the end imo,as it s a big part of the intelligence of the track progression, to give tension, question and anwser and all that.. imo dunno if nectarios would agree with that
it can make you feel the flow and develop inspiration for the progression of the tune cause of this imo..but after it depend the kind of tune.. it s good for tune that need to be mroe or less psyche i find .
tune with mostly fxs and just a lead here and there for the deliverance can be great too when it well arranged, it can make the trance coming slowly it s very effective once you are into it it s hard to escape
kinda like this..
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Posted : May 7, 2013 17:17
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On 2013-05-06 16:48, PoM wrote:
yeah totally depend the mood of the day tbh.. but lfx can be part of the flow of my tunes..like often in nectarios tune i find, i really like that . so it can not be really done in the end imo,as it s a big part of the intelligence of the track progression, to give tension, question and anwser and all that.. imo dunno if nectarios would agree with that
Yup. More and more FX sounds become more integral parts of tune, they add a more psychedelic vibe than straight forward leads. All has to do with that you want to do really. But psy-trance, for me, relies heavily on good FX sounds that are well timed in the arrangement.
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Posted : May 7, 2013 18:30
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On 2013-05-07 17:17, Nectarios wrote:
Yup. More and more FX sounds become more integral parts of tune, they add a more psychedelic vibe than straight forward leads. All has to do with that you want to do really. But psy-trance, for me, relies heavily on good FX sounds that are well timed in the arrangement.
I share the same opinion. I can use some fx I've done earlier, but most of it I design for the occasion. If I think that this design and processing will be demanding, and I want to push the barrier and layer it, automate, make all sorts of stuff to it, I render the whole mix before, open a clean project and I have the whole cpu to use for this particular sound. once I'm happy with it, I bounce it down and then just add it to the mix - no cpu eating plug-ins attached. So that's one way to go.
This way of working also presents us with some other options, of course. Like editing the audio of the mix in some regions. A lot of stuff can be done once you bounce your stuff down. If you stretch your kick and bass, then slice it, then... That's also fx in my vocabulary.
While I'm at it: I like using pieces of audio I've made previously to use in granular stuff - like the one in Reaktor. Or other stuff that uses audio for some sort of synthesis, or samplers - or melodyning (is there such a word?) some stuff... possibilities are endless. feel there's a lot of that going on on most psychedelic trance!
EDIT
quickly searched for something in youtube, I think this will illustrate what I was going about here (I use this one a lot!):
