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whats your tricks to get a phat kick
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orange
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Posted : May 4, 2011 03:43
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my opinion is that fatness of the kick is between 45-65hz and then starts the bass.. i never boost a kick higher than that... but i tend to cut the bass a few db in the 100hz department to release some more kick energy out!
these are not exact numbers but tend to work in my massive 3 kick collection..    http://www.landmark-recordings.com/
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Thx-1138
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Posted : May 4, 2011 09:56
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You might have to get a good bass before you try to do a good kick, but it's all about tweaking an instrument like Bazzism for example and create a kick with the exact parameters you'd like.
Than a compressor could be used like perhaps Multipressor
(Logic 8 native EQ)
And you shouldn't need more, You can then process it on a mastering tool like Ozone 4 or Alloy for sound quality improvent aswell.
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mudpeople
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Posted : May 4, 2011 10:57
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i usually cut the freq around 80hz with a decently sharp Q, scoop out the mids except for maybe a 1khz or around there knock and another good dip before a maybe-4khz peak, depending.
Also usually have a pitch envelope so it attacks in higher freq and doofs down, sometimes up tho, again depending on what i want it to sound like...
Idk, ive only recently realized what I was doing wrong with kicks and why they were sounding so hollow.
Good friend of mine, music-production student, told me 100hz is a good peak freq, which is a good freq for deeper doof types imo. But just a general idea not a rule.
Also one could layer different kick sounds, for example a sound for the sub-80hz, one for 100hz and over, and another for the high-mid knock, and bandpass out everything but the desired elements, or something like that.
Also I often use the Basslane plug http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1086.html on both kick and bass channels, which adds some cleanliness and presence.
And oh yeah, make sure the kick is tuned, just tuning the thing can often bring it out of the mud, or at least it has for me.
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PoM
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Posted : May 4, 2011 12:46
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thanks guys, it s basically what i do with the equing tips, i remove some boxiness around 100/130 hz , i rarely boost the low end when i do it s around 40/65 hz .
i think the most tricky is to get just the frequency needed and no mud or boxiness .
the 800/8000hz is a other area that is not easy to get right,hifi sounding highs is a other key of phat kick, it shouldn t be agressive imo but silky, do you have any tips ? the plug i like the most for this is again the soneq ,great high band boost . |
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Supa Tu Zill
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Posted : May 4, 2011 13:36
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Brainworx Boom plugin 
Works actually quite well with bazzism. |
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makus
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Posted : May 4, 2011 15:20
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get a good sample  haha seems like a shitty answer, but it really can be true.
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to that i want to add perfect monitoring in the treated room!
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Nectarios
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Posted : May 4, 2011 17:54
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I don't have a special trick other than simply practicing.
I make a new kick for almost every tune we have. Some are more similar to others, some are completely different.
The kick is extremely important to me and it is extremely important that it matches the bassline of the track.
As to phatness, I paid attention to what my favorite producers do and to my surprise, a lot of kicks sound phat in combination with the bassline...as when they are on their own, in some tracks, they don't have the bottom end I though they did when they were playing with the bassline.
As to EQing, I never boost anything, just subtract things I don't like although the 24dB/8ve (sometimes with a somewhat high Q setting) high-pass filter I use, tends to slightly boost the area around the cut-off frequency, and I do take that into consideration...so in some way you could say that there is a light boost
Always use Ultrabeat for making my kicks from scratch. Totaly love it and the multistage envelopes are my kick creation dreams, come true, much more control over my analog modular kick creating days.
And the actual sound of it I find it absolutely brilliant.
I used to layer kicks a lot when making breakbeat records, sometimes even an acoustic bassdrum over a synthetic, but I much prefer the sound of a single sine oscillator for trance tunes.
EQ is a major tool for sculpting the sound as well, as is compression for punch and transient control, as well as sustain control and sidechaining helps the kick cut through the mix.
Other than that, finding a bassline that compliments the kick is extremely important, as what hat/ride sound I am going to layer with the kick to give a hint of nice crisp top end over the kick.
Then, as people have already said, both my Mackie HR824s and Alesis M1 mkII actives along with my room's treatment, have made things a lot easier for me.
Peace out.
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Posted : May 6, 2011 14:20
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For powerful sound you need to work also with sub frequencies, i mean to connect a bass with a kick at around 35-45hz, but most EQs have bad results in doin' it, so I use mastering Eqs that have a soft effect in adding frequencies, and of course use all those ideas above to gain the maximum effect.
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Nomad Moon
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Posted : May 6, 2011 14:50
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this is precious intel guys, i'm having real probs making KBBB, i like my sounds low, with KB i'm starting feel confortable, but kbbb it's givin me no results |
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Posted : May 6, 2011 18:13
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jonsta
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Get-a-fix
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Posted : May 7, 2011 10:56
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Chemogen
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Posted : May 7, 2011 14:50
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Posted : May 7, 2011 16:57
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On 2011-05-07 10:56, Get-a-fix wrote:
If you need to beef up a kick drum, oxford dynamics works well too. Use the warmth section to give it a little bite.
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This is the go to compressor and parameter on every single kick from the day I got it. Its subtle as well, which is why I love it.
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On 2011-05-07 14:50, Chemogen wrote:
Cut the kick's fundamental frequency from your bass.
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I have been trying to do this in our first two albums and I think I shouldn't have done that. In our new tracks I don't do that and things sound more coherent in the bottom end...obviously its what works for everyone, but short kick length notes (up to 75% on the midi gate parameter, depending on the bass patch) and tuning the sustain part of the kick to the bass fundamental, sounds more full in my studio and the P.A.s we played at recently.
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PoM
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Posted : May 7, 2011 17:14
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more my taste too ^^ ,
and tracks that have less low end in the kick vs the bassline are sometimes a pain to master and get right down there.
when it hapen best is to send back the mix to get it fixed imo.. or the sound will be compromised ,or i just dont have the technics to fix this great.
a thin kick with a phat bassline don t translate great , it sound like shit imo except if you use a bassline note at the same time as the kick. |
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