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whats the worst thing ever happened,with effect on the greek rave scene

macdeath
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Posted : Jul 7, 2004 19:22
i think that the worst thing is mme state about rave parties.remember some years back at varimpopi,oinofita the topics with raver's mother at chanels.they were linking the music with trance and other bullshit.what is the reason for this,situation who is responsible?imo we are the reason(crowd,artists,promotersetc)not all of us but mostly.
macdeath
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Posted : Jul 8, 2004 02:30
oh i made a huge mistake before.i wanted to say that the media are linking the music with drugs and not with trance as i wrote.ps:sory but my head is a bit messed because i am sick
Frenji


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Posted : Jul 8, 2004 21:51
the worst thing ever happened was 'uplifting' music...

(my opinion,dont attack me heh)
nobody_4
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Posted : Jul 8, 2004 22:06
That you started to copy the music from Israel and bringing too many full-on acts over = Dead to the psychedlic music and variation in the Greek scene
euphoria

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Posted : Jul 8, 2004 22:40
Kris in thesaloniki city more than 30 parties took place since last Octomber.

The variety was unbelievable for the first time.

4 organizing teams launched a variety from antix,to skazi ... monroe, to native radio... parasense ,to d-vei... astrix,to atmos...castel to GMS...frogacult to Dino Psaras...cosmic tone to emoc...oryx to hux flux ... ticon to logic bomb etc etc etc

As you can see the balance between full on to progressive,even house sometimes,is amazing.

The truth is that ppl wants to listen to full on ,much more than any other style...And we are taking about having 900 or more ppl in a skazi party for example,and 200-250 in a monroe party.

Now what is wrong with this i don't get your point.

And i also didn't realiese what do you mean by saying that we copy israeli music.Can you be more specific?

now about my opinion i think that the worse thing happened was The bust at Acid club in thesaloniki.I live here and this incident in my opinion turned back the development of the scene for 3 at least "black years"
nobody_4
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Posted : Jul 8, 2004 22:57
What I meant is that you once (1994 - 1998) had a very cool and nice scene with nice openminded people that made amazing parties where people actually understood what it was all about (hint = actually morning music NOT 150+ bpm madness in the morning). Then the full-on Isralie wave flooded over Greece and that vibe was ruined (hint = 150+ cheesy music from start to end). I dont want to sound bitter (I am long gone from the psy/goa scene) but honestly I dont see so much variation anymore. Dino have played in greece forever, Astrix is yet another full'onster, d-vei is danish but quite mainstream (no offense), GMS (well i'll keep my opnion to myself), skazi (please retire) = full-on horror once again, james is cool but again he's been playing in Greece forever. Where are the House or even the more progressive ethnic tribal trance? I don't see it anywhere ;-) Variation mean to break out of the stereotyped and at the moment very clean and boring trance formular that rule the trance scene almnost everywhere. Have you ever had acts playing like Vision & Canedy, Trancefeld, Time Tech, D-Nox ect. ect? When I see a flyer from Greece (and sadly also many many other countries) it's 99.9% the time: GMS, Dino, Space cat, Talamasca, Dedrah and the more down the middle more trance oriented "progressive" acts and DJ's ect. and very very rare some of the more house / tribal progressive acts/DJ's

Maybe it's just because the Greek scene used to be much more variated than today no matter how many acts you got in Thessaloniki And it's not really that variated (according to your list of artists). They are all quite in the middle of the "trance" sound

The truth is that not many organsiers "dare" to bring anythng refreshing or different to their parties.. They are so caught up in their own public "image" and making as much money as possible that they forget what it's all about. To evolve and open up peoples minds. Full-on is not really to open up people's minds anymore It's a bit too stereotyped these days.

Another factor is that lot's of people do drugs and the mornings at many parties these days do not invite people to get down from those drugs.. They go away from parties totally high, anxious from way too fast bpm's instead of mellow and relaxed

Of course in my opinion.

I agree about the Acid club (I had many many nice gigs there and a great time) Sad that some people got so jealous that they planted drugs. Sakis did not at all deserve any of the trouble he got into.
euphoria

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Posted : Jul 8, 2004 23:24
Are you kris who was playing when the police busted at acid club?You played also at crypton club ?year 2000?
nobody_4
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Posted : Jul 8, 2004 23:32
No I played at the original Acid club until 1997.
euphoria

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Posted : Jul 8, 2004 23:36
also,echoteck,deep dive corp,haldolium,bitmonx ,silent sphere,treibstof,lish,ultravoice,phonatic,exaile,psychotic micro,silicon sound,penta,hyper freaquences,Yahel,atomic pulse,and more from camoflash team,i think,i can not remember now...

Now about full on i think that you have to accept ,that most of new comers in the scene,want to listen to full on,something that happened when we started many years ago
with us as well.

Full on psy trance is now days an established music scene and maybe we have to let it be,as long as ppl loves it.

nobody_4
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Posted : Jul 8, 2004 23:43
I don't have to accept anything I stand on my right to think that our scene is nothing but a "oh so KILLAR cool" fashionable thing these days... It have totally lost it's charm and "vibe" and is most of the time only a shadow of it's past. yes I am older and the kids like it fast and furious but that does not mean that it's wrong to try to open up people eyes to alternatives.. I do not say that they should stop liking Full-on but I am saying that the organsiers have a damn big responsability in educating the kids and hire alternative artist. They might even like it if they get the chance to experience it and just maybe they will learn a little about what actually took place way before they got hair on certain body parts

And sorry but once again you give me a "top 10" list of artist and DJ's from the mainstream circle - all very clean sounding and in my opinion not that different sounding from eachother.. Many that in my opinion could do with a bit of new thinking in their music
euphoria

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Posted : Jul 9, 2004 00:14
I meant accept it as a fact i didn't mean to accept and change your mind,wich has a strong point i have to admit...

But i can't understand how can,castel,frogacult,phonatic,tegma,can be mainstrem progressive acts,since,most of the ppl here didn,t even knew them or heared anything about them before...

Well these events had maximum 250 ppl...And this number i think is very hard even to cover the event expences.
Maybe that's why the promoters are now afraid to go on with acts like these...

Anyway i know that,some organisers,will provide this kind of music,for the new club season,or even earlier...

OH and for not beeing offtopic somehow,another bad thing for the scene,i think, is the drug problem that by any means we have to face it,before it will become katastrophic.

macdeath
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Posted : Jul 9, 2004 02:21
guys i didnt puted this topic a bout full-onvsprogressive but about things wich affect hte scene.imo full-on is good style but i am sad about the stateable way of production.
movek
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Posted : Jul 10, 2004 06:27
kris
Vision & Canedy, Trancefeld, Time Tech, D-Nox ?
very cool man but how many people do you think that will go at such a party?
over 100?I don't thing so...
They don't even showed up when all these 'mainstream' artists euphoria said played.

Its all about these thinks you said about fashion scene and kids that don't know anything else except of taking extacy and scream "SPASTO TWRA POU SKAEI!"

And these are the worst things
1. little burned heads
2. non-experencied ears stucked at these heads
3. dirty promoters get used of these heads

and they all lived well and happy till they blowed up at the party is over
in the bedtime story of greek trance scene           Aει ο θεος ο μεγας γεωμετρει το συμπαν = 3,1415926
nobody_4
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Posted : Jul 10, 2004 16:17
Would it be so bad to have a party with 100 people? It might even be a nice fresh wind in the mega party concept that rule today.

And I am still doubting that there would only be 100 people. That's the normal excuse I hear over and over again for not doing something a little different

I think the promoters and eternal doubters would be quite surpriced to see how many people turned up - that is if they arrange things professionally and promote it professionally

And last - If the promoters respect people and go an extra mile to show a good vibe, a friendly face and offer something special (free something ect.) then I am sure people will turn up. And believe me a little selfpromotion haven never done any harm = The promoters should go and meet "regulary" people at other parties/hang-out's and be friendly to them = nice attitude instead of Dollar signs in their eyes... Then people will respect them and properly show up... People are not stupid and will smell a rat form a long distance
achie
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Posted : Jul 12, 2004 01:21
Quote:

On 2004-07-08 21:51, Frenji wrote:
the worst thing ever happened was 'uplifting' music...

(my opinion,dont attack me heh)


The same and the usuall!!!bring the good vibe in the dancefloor again to our country
We have lost the mean of psychedelic music!!
never agressive always progressive
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