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Boom Festival
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Posted : Feb 22, 2014 09:56:53
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Gluten-free, lactose-free, sugar-free…Many of us are vegetarians, some are vegans, and some even claim to survive exclusively on solar energy.
One thing is out of question: What you eat is what you are. But exactly what are the options today?
Is it still possible to eat healthy in a world where clouds of acid rain move over ecological and non-ecological farms alike? Where the currents of the oceans spread poisonous heavy metals all around the globe? Is there any such thing as “healthy food” left after all? Is it an illusion?
What is you understanding of good food?
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moki
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Posted : Feb 24, 2014 03:54
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On 2014-02-22 09:56:53, Boom Festival wrote:
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a very good question. yes, everything is an illusion. generally speaking there are quite a few proven cases of people who do not need to digest anything because they somehow survive only on light.
my understanding of good food is nevertheless self grown vegetables that we care for every day throughout the year. as well as wild nature vegetative creations, i mean herbs and whatever.
it is quite amazing to see a post about global ecological desasters from boom festival. thank you sincerely for the call. we are here and we are very concerned about the problems of humanity... the question is: what can we do to stop this environmental develpment?
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Posted : Feb 26, 2014 09:44
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Thanks a lot for sharing your thoughts!
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That's a very interesting subject indeed - do you have any articles and sources you would recommend? It's very interesting how a "light diet" would effect the conscious, isn't it?
Even though Boom won't change our world with a bang (or with a boom  ) we are convinced that we can plant the intellectual seeds for global change, at least that is what the Liminal Village and the Healing area are all about. Food shall be one major subject this year.
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Xolvexs
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what you dont eat is the experience you miss out on..
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On 2014-02-26 09:44, Boom Festival wrote:
Thanks a lot for sharing your thoughts!
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That's a very interesting subject indeed - do you have any articles and sources you would recommend? It's very interesting how a "light diet" would effect the conscious, isn't it?
Even though Boom won't change our world with a bang (or with a boom ) we are convinced that we can plant the intellectual seeds for global change, at least that is what the Liminal Village and the Healing area are all about. Food shall be one major subject this year.
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a very interesting documentary about sungazing is eat the sun. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1424769/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1 |
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Thanks a lot for the link! Interesting title... yes, we are curious about this documentation!
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The fact is that the origin of all food chain problems start with how meat is produced and all what is needed to get the quantities society demands.
if meat consumption can decrease significantly in the incoming years then vegetables/grains production could go back to more standard and less harmfull practices.
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moki
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Posted : Mar 18, 2014 15:35
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On 2014-02-26 09:44, Boom Festival wrote:
Thanks a lot for sharing your thoughts!
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That's a very interesting subject indeed - do you have any articles and sources you would recommend? It's very interesting how a "light diet" would effect the conscious, isn't it?
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There is a documentary called "At the beginning there was light" which explores the topic and presents some people who survive on light all over the globe.
http://www.lightdocumentary.com/
One of the main characters is the sadhu Prahlad Jani , who survives on light since 1940. He was examined in hospitals and scientific institutes where it was proved that he sustains best health without eating anything at all. You might remember that at that time there were hundreds of articles in mainstream media about him, but at the end of the day his case was not taked seriously by mainstream society (as always).
He is one of the few who showed up in public, most sadhus who are claimed to survive on light do not make so much public rumour out of it and stay hidden in the underground , i.e. in the caves of Himalaya.
I have met some of them personally, they have incredible stories to tell. Nevertheless, you never have a real prove for the logical mind. I still do not know if I believe it or not. But i do believe that this is the direction humanity is going to - either if it is in the 21. century or thousands of years later.
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Is it going to be focused on the spiritual side of things ( ayurveda etc.) or on the issue of healthy sustainable food (sustainable agriculture etc.)?
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Maine Coon
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Agree with Moki here (Hell must've frozen over, finally ):
you have more control over what you eat than you realize. Everybody with a window sill and a light bulb can grow whatever they want at home. Also, it is not an all-or-none question: you don't have to choose between eating God's manna or a two-headed calf from Chernobyl. There is a very wide spectrum in between and you just have to make a conscious effort to choose better stuff at every step.
For example, salmon is very cheap in the US and I used to buy tons of it, until I read an article about how it's raised in Chilean farms. I buy salmon a couple times a year now, when it's available freshly caught in the wild. Does it still have traces of mercury and DDT? Probably. But it does not have all other things they feed to farmed fish.
Same with veggies: organic may not be as clean as it was in Medieval times but it's still better than conventionally grown. Organic meat and poultry is better than conventional by a very long shot. If it's also Kosher or halal - even better. So, instead of getting depressed because some ideal is no longer achievable, you can strive to make the best out of the real situation you are in. Just choose the best available option and keep your eyes open for even better choices you may not know about yet.
And finally, about changing the world. Just vote with your dollar and spread the awareness. When enough people buy organic, conventional growers will shift in that direction. Same goes for supporting your neighbors. I'd rather pay more for apples by a local farmer than get a bargain from Argentina. Not because I don't like Argentinian apples or don't want to support Argentines, but because I want my area to produce something besides failed steel mills, technical corn and arrogant basketball stars. If I can change my back yard and you can change yours, and enough of other people will do the same - before you know it, everybody will be better off. |
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moki
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Posted : Mar 21, 2014 11:25
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So, instead of getting depressed because some ideal is no longer achievable, you can strive to make the best out of the real situation you are in. Just choose the best available option and keep your eyes open for even better choices you may not know about yet.
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brilliant:)
...in search for the best available option in the real situation you are in. this is the magical quest.
in my fractal of reality , since two years i am into digital publishing of magazines/apps focused on nature, plants, horticulture , among many other mainstream commercial issues , and i think it was the best available option that i curently have to change anything in public opinion on a slightly bigger scale. and still, after two years the distance between my vision and what i currently work is still big...
may be it is time for a Boom to connect to the spirits again 
as far as our food is concerned: we have so much work to do on the way back to the roots of nature: to understand the qualities of organic food for our body and soul and also to unterstand what it means for the environment and for social justice. yes there are more and more social entrepreneurs who try to combine the two issues: social justice and healthy natural environment on one side and survivung the market game on the other side. may be a start up in this field is the best thing to do instead of waiting for big enterprices to do the difference.
not sure if a life would be enough and if it is not too late already ... david against goliath... and then we have to go another hundred times the same distance on the way to understand psycho-spirituall qualities of food.
anyway, in any given situation there is an option in our life, an option for an action with a global impact. there are so many options to change things. eat organic food, pay high bills for susainable energy, take care for the balance of CO2 while flying. yes, certainly makes sense. but on a glabal scale this is peanuts. most people on earth won't have the money to do this. you either save global economy and stop exploitation of the third world natural resources, ir you forget that there will be a shift.
in case you see an option, go for it.
i imagine for example that it would be wonderful to found a village that exists every day in the year and where lots of world travellers, freaks, magicians and alternative rebells live. they just grow their own food like any other eco village , but in comparison to most of them it sustains the magic of sound, visuals, lights, performance, decoration and art. but how far can you go, and would this not just be just a small island and a mirage?
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Maine Coon
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there are so many options to change things. eat organic food, pay high bills for susainable energy, take care for the balance of CO2 while flying. yes, certainly makes sense. but on a glabal scale this is peanuts. most people on earth won't have the money to do this. you either save global economy and stop exploitation of the third world natural resources, ir you forget that there will be a shift.
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I agree again (what's happening?! ): individual actions may not lead to large-scale shifts, even if the number of people acting in this way reaches some critical mass. It's because the "Golden Billion" tend to think that the whole world looks like their suburban paradise. That if various States pass indoor smoking bans and there are anti-smoking ads everywhere, everybody is going to breathe easier. Tobacco sales in India, China and Eastern Europe say otherwise. While my "progressive" neighbors keep bragging about their eco-friendly hybrid car, I can't stop thinking about the devastation battery manufacturers cause in China to give us our feel-good Priuses. In short: we think we are cleaning up the world, while in fact we are just importing pollution somewhere else.
But I still think that doing what's right (or at least what's best in a given situation) individually beats fantasizing collectively. You may not change the world but at least you will live and die with a clean conscience. In my book, giving a sandwich to a homeless guy is better than wishing there were no homelessness.
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i imagine for example that it would be wonderful to found a village that exists every day in the year and where lots of world travellers, freaks, magicians and alternative rebells live. they just grow their own food like any other eco village , but in comparison to most of them it sustains the magic of sound, visuals, lights, performance, decoration and art.
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In the U.S., we already have such a village. It's called Oregon. 
(Or at least, that's how it looked to me 20 years go. I hear, dotcom boom of the 90s spoiled it a bit)
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but how far can you go, and would this not just be just a small island and a mirage?
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Or even worse: would this not mutate into something hideous, the way all good small things do when they finally become big? |
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Posted : Mar 25, 2014 21:39
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It is not only about how stuff was grown, but also about quantities and resources used.
Meat no matter if organic consumes huge ammount of resources and livestock no matter how will produce metane (maybe a little less withut a gran heavy diet, but still).
So some food consumption must be reduced to a minimal ammount given it's overall impact, specially when you consider the thousands of millions of human eating it.
Overall I am enthusiastic, I see a lot of restaurants now with vegetarian options, which shows people are asking for them.
Food is one aspect we can totally bring back to control with out legislation or a revolution, is about commitment. And since it's one of the biggest issues in the world given its economic, social and ecological impact it could bring big chamges in a very fast pace.
For example, if meat consumption was cut just in a half we could probably stop climate change, deforestation and water depletion, cut it more and you could start repleneshing many resources.
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Posted : Mar 28, 2014 00:58
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we would not be able to stop climate change even if we stop meat consumption in 100 percent. there are factors like poluted industrial air , holes in the ozone air, shortly tacted climate cataclysms of huge impact forcing large amount of people to migrate because of climate necessity and infertile ground...as well as human factor in the face of wars, mistakes in the engineering of atom power stations, naturally born centric view based on imperfection and insufficiency . we simply cannot see sustainability on a scale of thousands and thousands of years - too imperfect for this kind of transcentental view of time. ^^
if we choose to only concentrate on the question of "either meat or vegetarian" and believe that in this way we solve all problems concerning climate change and dont have to care for the rest of it, we might soon be confronted with a couple of effects on the rest of our natural environment besides food.
but i agree completely with you that this is a nice first step to stop climate change: vegetarian options. there are lots of studies about the efficiency of stopping meat food and its effect on the forests and the water circulation.
this idea can be conceived by anyone willing to experience the qualities of food which has a respectable moral incentive.
But at the end of the day, this does not answer the question if it is too late already.
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Mar 28, 2014 20:24
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we simply cannot see sustainability on a scale of thousands and thousands of years - too imperfect for this kind of transcentental view of time.
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The imperfections of the world order are not the only (and not even the main) reason for our inability to see sustainable future on a scale of thaousands of years. The main reason is we cannot see *anything* clearly on that scale. In fact, we don't even see clearly that far back into the past, forget about looking forward.
I suggest you consider this concern about seeing things a thousand years ahead in light of your own signature line.
Well, philosophy aside, I'd like to tell you a story about the climate change. I had a friend (who died young in an accident, unfortunately) who was working on his PhD in atmospheric physics. The topic of his research was the global warming in general and melting of the arctic caps in particular. Every week he would get gigabites of satellite images, analyze them and model the trends.
By his observations, he told me, "30 years from now Florida, Louisiana and most of Texas will be under water and Michigan will grow oranges". That was 20 years ago. Texas is still exactly where it was then. And Michigan just started getting temeperatures above 0 C this week. No hope of growing oranges any time soon.
Now, this could mean a few things. It could be that all the changes he predicted will suddenly materialize in the next 10 years. Or it could be that the world did so much in the last 20 years to combat global warming that my friend's prediction no longer holds. Or it may mean that he was simply wrong to begin with. In any case, if we cannot get it right on the scale of 30 years, what sense is there to even wonder about the effects of our actions on what's going to happen thousands of years from now? |
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Posted : Mar 28, 2014 22:52
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Don't know if Maine Coon questions climate change but I agree with him on wondering about our future.
There is just so little we can forsee, we know some trends, but we can't even forsee random events.
And then you have the issue that ANY knowledge prodced could have an effect on the future, so even if we have some good predictions, those predictions will change the future in a way unkown.
We can change current trends and hoe for the best, nothing more.
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