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sherlockalien
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Posted : Mar 1, 2005 15:56
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buahaha traveller, you get money because you study?! and you think in 3rd world countries you get that?!
man, you have to PAY for studying, not GET PAYED here hahaha
and again.. buying is not the only way of supporting the music.. actually its not even a very good way AFAIK |
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_Vanessa_
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Posted : Mar 1, 2005 16:05
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the price of a cd in a third world country is like 5x more then in '1st''s ones. just a good point to think of. |
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sherlockalien
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Posted : Mar 1, 2005 16:07
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(not to mention import taxes, vanessa.. Here is 60% extra you have to pay for the ´simple´ taxes) |
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_Vanessa_
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Posted : Mar 1, 2005 16:19
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I know sherlockalien. Imagine you paying R15 reais for a CD, that is how people feel in '1st world countries paying 15£$(etc)
Now 1st world countries imagine you paying 70£$ on a CD... that is what it is like in third world countries+the fact that '1st' contries get better paid in any kind of work.... |
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Dark_Dork
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Posted : Mar 1, 2005 17:20
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Truth is im just a cheap bastard...
But when i bump into a cd i like in a record store ill buy it... i bought there is no tomarrow after i had it on mp3z...
if all those gnarly compilations were being sold at record shops in my area id buy more cds... but its hard to find anything new or not full on here... and im not going to buy 4 cds off some internet psy cd shop every month...
so i listen to bloody mp3z |
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Watter
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Posted : Mar 1, 2005 17:44
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@ Traveller: "pint doesn't cost 5€ in a 3rd world country either. I doubt a pack of Marlboro lights is 4€ in South America either. A llitre of milk is probably way less than a euro too? People don't pay 3€ for a slice of bread there either.."
Well u might be right but we don´t make our money in Euro but lets imagine for one second that we did .... a Pack of Malboro Lights costos aroud R$2 a Pint of beer costs around R$5 at a decent bar u might get it for 3 at the corner bar.... but we pay around R$1000 to study.... that means in the beging of the month we are already R$1404 behind u... think about just for one second.... nothing else to say...
 "open your mind....you might just see that there isn't anything to be seen" |
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DETOX
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Posted : Mar 2, 2005 00:50
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So when you dont have money to buy something and you can STEAL IT then you just go on and steal it...
Perfect...
Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!! |
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Watter
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Posted : Mar 2, 2005 01:07
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DETOX, why is it that u allways have to make a statement about stealing? I mean what I was saing to TRAVELLER was only that things in 3rd world countrys are not as they are in 1st world country and that was preatty much it.....
About not having money to buy something and just stealing, we've beeing through this before and I will not say what I have said all over again...... bee as it may since u own a label (your name is in green)you should listen to ppl and try to make the changes to adjust to the reallity.... as I told you before..... try to sell your music online, lets say 0,5 euro a track..... I guess that should couver the costs once you don't have to print a cover nor have a real cd.... just a though... again
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traveller
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Posted : Mar 2, 2005 01:11
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Well you know things are very, very expensive here cos there are very, very high taxes on everything. Which ofcourse then again gives me for example the opportunity to study for free, and actually get some money from the gov while doing it. Then again the 404€ wouldn't even be enough for my rent which is over 500€ a month. I'm guessing in the end I haven't got any more spare money than you do..
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Watter
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Posted : Mar 2, 2005 01:19
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Traveller please do your home work... Brazil has one of the highest tax rates in the world... so please don't give me that crap. I've been to Canada e US and I know several ppl living in Europe and they would all agree that in the end we have a higher "leaving expense" then most countries in the world.... research then we can discuss this
btw sorry for the OT
and Traveller no offence man I know I sometime can sound very offencive but there is none intended
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DETOX
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Posted : Mar 2, 2005 01:25
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Watter did i say something that is wrong?
Downloading something without paying for it isnt it STEALING?
And please cut the 'adjust to reality' crap,i have spoken with BIG labels and artists that sale their music online in digital format on huge sites like iTunes for example and guess what,they even laughed at my question.
You can always come up with new excuses like 'labels must adjust to reality' or 'we dont have enough money' or 'we live in 3rd world country we can steal cause we are Brazilians' or 'taxes are too high' or 'we dont want to pay 15 euros for two good tunes in a cd' BUT in the end downloading mp3s from the internet without paying for them will always be STEALING.
Now just go on and find another excuse.
P.S 1 I am going soon to release my music on the internet just to see from first hand how the whole thing works.If my sales go up more than 5% then i shall donate this money for charities or something.
P.S 2 If i give permission to iTunes to release my tracks on the net HOW DO I KNOW how many times they sold my music?And by the way how do the Tax Authorities of my country tax me about that?I bet you had never thought about that did you?
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traveller
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Posted : Mar 2, 2005 01:27
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Dude you crack me up 
You know the average income tax here is 47% and even higher for the ones who make a lot of money. Definitely in the top10 of the world. Do your homework again, man Brazil doesn't make it even to top 50. Oh heres more:
World's most expensive cities in 2004
1 Tokyo, Japan
2 London, UK
3 Moscow, Russia
4 Osaka, Japan
5 Hong Kong
6 Geneva, Switzerland
7 Seoul, South Korea
8 Copenhagen, Denmark
9 Zürich, Switzerland
10 St. Petersburg, Russia
11 Beijing, China
12 New York City, USA
13 Milan, Italy
14 Dublin, Ireland
15 Oslo, Norway
16 Shanghai, China
17 Paris, France
18 Istanbul, Turkey
19 Vienna, Austria
20 Sydney, Australia
21 Rome, Italy
22 Stockholm, Sweden
23 Helsinki, Finland that's where I live
24 Abidjan, Ivory Coast
25 Douala, Cameroon
26 Amsterdam, Netherlands
27 Los Angeles, USA
28 Berlin, Germany
29 Hanoi, Vietnam
30 Shenzhen, China
31 Taipei, Taiwan
32 Guangzhou, China
33 Tel Aviv, Israel
34 Budapest, Hungary
35 Chicago, USA
36 Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam
37 Beirut, Lebanon
38 San Francisco, USA
39 Luxembourg
40 Düsseldorf, Germany
41 Glasgow, UK
42 Frankfurt, Germany
43 Munich, Germany
44 Bratislava, Slovak Republic
45 Jakarta, Indonesia
46 Singapore
47 Dakar, Senegal
48 Riga, Latvia
49 Prague, Czech Republic
50 Athens, Greece
51 Birmingham, UK
52 White Plains, USA
53 Brussels, Belgium
54 Kiev, Ukraine
55 Miami, USA
56 Barcelona, Spain
57 Honolulu, USA
58 Hamburg, Germany
59 Zagreb, Croatia
60 Algiers, Algeria
61 Madrid, Spain
62 Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates
63 Amman, Jordan
64 Kuwait City, Kuwait
65 San Juan, Puerto Rico
66 Casablanca, Morocco
67 Melbourne, Australia
68 Washington, USA
69 Lyon, France
70 Boston, USA
71 Lisbon, Portugal
72 Morristown, USA
73 Houston, USA
74 Almaty, Kazakhstan
75 Tallinn, Estonia
76 Warsaw, Poland
77 Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
78 Manama, Bahrain
79 Sofia, Bulgaria
80 Auckland, New Zealand
81 Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
82 Ljubljana, Slovenia
83 Dubai, United Arab Emirates
84 Mexico City, Mexico
85 Atlanta, USA
86 Wellington, New Zealand
87 Brisbane, Australia
88 Adelaide, Australia
89 Toronto, Canada
90 Seattle, USA
91 Vilnius, Lithuania
92 St. Louis, USA
93 Leipzig, Germany
94 Perth, Australia
95 Limassol, Cyprus
96 Vancouver, Canada
97 Accra, Ghana
98 Cleveland, USA
99 Cairo, Egypt
100 Denver, USA
101 Detroit, USA
102 Monterrey, Mexico
103 Kingston, Jamaica
104 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
105 Portland, USA
106 Panama City
107 Winston Salem, USA
108 Guatemala City, Guatemala
109 Mumbai, India
110 Bandar Seri Begawan, Brunei
111 Lagos, Nigeria
112 Pittsburgh, USA
113 Montreal, Canada
114 Calgary, Canada
115 Tianjin, China
116 New Delhi, India
117 Dacca (Dhaka), Bangladesh
118 Lima, Peru
119 Bangkok, Thailand
120 Tunis, Tunisia
121 Nairobi, Kenya
122 Tehran, Iran
123 Santiago, Chile
124 Ottawa, Canada
125 Lusaka, Zambia
126 Johannesburg, South Africa
127 Colombo, Sri Lanka
128 São Paulo, Brazil
129 Bucharest, Romania
130 San José, Costa Rica
131 Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
132 Karachi, Pakistan
133 Chennai (Madras), India
134 Caracas, Venezuela
135 Blantyre, Malawi
136 Quito, Ecuador
137 Bangalore, India
138 Manila, Philippines
139 Bogotá, Colombia
140 Harare, Zimbabwe
141 Buenos Aires, Argentina
142 Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic
143 Montevideo, Uruguay
144 Asunción, Paraguay "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program."
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DETOX
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Posted : Mar 2, 2005 01:34
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In Greece by the way for people like me who own a company the Tax Office puts tax on both the company and the persons behind it.
I just fixed my taxes paper yesterday and i have to pay 25% taxes for my company and 33% taxes for myself (it would be 25% also but i got bigger profits than the government would like me to have so i get taxed more LOL).
In the end its me that pays the taxes for both the company and myself so 25 plus 33 equals to the magic number of 58%.
Amen.
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DETOX
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Posted : Mar 2, 2005 01:36
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Traveller sorry to inform you but the list that you provided doesnt reflect reality at all.
Athens is much much higher placed in the list ESPECIALLY for the year 2004 due to the Olympic Games taking place here.
Instead of place 50 we must be in the first 20 for sure.
New York City and Instanbul are way behind Athens and i know this from very very personal experience hehe.
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traveller
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Posted : Mar 2, 2005 01:36
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You know if you make good money it's not that unusual to get like a 5000€ speeding ticket here
Some poor guy got like a 200 000€ speeding ticket  lost all his money already thou 
"The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program."
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