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blueOrb
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Posted : Feb 19, 2005 13:02
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Ppl who only download mp3 (or even worst playing only mp3) they don't deserve listen to music (aspecially come to their artists in parties which they like).
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rubbish....
and what about the money they pay at the party entrance so that the artist could get more future bookings ?? ....
this seems to be going in the direction of another mp3 blah blah thread ......
i dont have a credit card as iam still doin my grad. ..... my finances keep dwindling as months go by .....  ...... but i still manage to purchase some asian and ambient music once in a while as they are easier to find in india and cost around 8-9$ ....  but the psytrance cds released these days are simply pathetic ..... the best u can get is probably 2 good tracks per cd ...... its simple just allow us to buy 320kbps mp3 downloads of any track at reasonable prices .... iam sure it would increase sales ..... buying webspace aint that expensive these days ......
once i start earning i would certainly buy more cds but they would mostly be ambient ones .....
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Spindrift
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Posted : Feb 19, 2005 13:34
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I think the question should be what the labels excuse is for failing so miserably is instead.
I find very little released music that happens to be in my taste.
Manytimes I have been copying from different collectors or artists tracks that never got released that I really like.
I then I see that that artist have released an album or have tracks on a compilation and check it out.
Unfortunally the tracks is then much more normal sounding and overproduced.
Some examples of artists that really excited me with their unreleased stuff a couple of years ago was GOW, Mr Perculiar and some of the SA crew.
But for some reason when they get released they just had a really formularic sound in my ears.
If I would find a release I really liked all the tracks on, where all the tracks was new and fresh I would sure like to get it.
But with my stubborn and limited taste it don't seem to happen.
So for me to spend money there would need to be sites where I can download individual tracks as 320k or FLAC.
I think also it should not take a year before the track is released.
If I can get a copy of a great track that from all I know is unreleased and I doubt if it ever will be released I think it's a shame if it should just be left to rot away in a drawer.
If it happens that the track do get released after you already played it 100's of times it's just not so tempting to buy it.
So I will not spend money if the labels cannot even make an effort to satisfy the demands that obviously quite a few people seem to have.
So, labels have to try to listen to the demands of people instead of treating thier potential customers like thiefes.
Otherwise they can cry all they want about the money they think they deserve, I will not feel any sympathy with them anyway.
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Pointy
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Posted : Feb 19, 2005 13:55
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Excuse???
I bought very few CDs in my life, but I don't need to excuse myself to anybody, especially not to somebody who has got an elitistic and capitalistic attitude towards the trance scene/culture like you Justin.
I know what I have done for this scene. Thanks.
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Ppl who only download mp3 (or even worst playing only mp3) they don't deserve listen to music (aspecially come to their artists in parties which they like).
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The biggest bullsh*t I have heared.
So we can all travel to Goa and have our parties there, but the locals who can't affort to buy CDs don't deserve listening to the music??
All the people that live in poor countries are allowed to go to parties and pay entrance and in that ways support the scene, but they don't deserve to listen to the music at home, because they can't affort to buy it??
Oh my God. Have mercy on these confused minds.
Guys, there is things in this world, that are much more valuable then money. People have different things to give in life.
The people that clean up after parties, collecting cigarette buds and shitty toilet paper, the ones that make fireshows and juggling balls, the ones that are dancing with a big smile on their face without eating an E, those that listen, those that have something to say.
All those people that support and contribute to the scene with love & happiness & and a helping hand in their personal way, are much more important then money.
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MARGHERITA
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Posted : Feb 19, 2005 14:02
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check this:
money is only a virtual sharing stuff, is necesary for continue produce music & live.
Now is the rule, for have things you need money,
so when you whant a good "psychedelic" scene, you need to put this stuff (money) inside,
after, the records labels have "the virtual sharing stuff" (money) for produce music & release CD.
So :
artist put money into instruments/computers
label put money into CD production
Dj put money for buy CD
The fan put money for partys & cds
The promoter take the risk for make partys & spend a lot of money for this
& ect....
So, when this chain is broken or not in the right side, the money is lost out of the scene. & the scene died.
Sorry for bad english
I buy a lot of cd & i copy a lot of cd & i make a lot of music & i produce a lot of music.
So, equilibrium is the only one way for exist into this scene.
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MARGHERITA
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Posted : Feb 19, 2005 14:07
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About rich & poor countrys :
in partys you have a lot of artists sell good music for not too much $$$.
Black market in africa or in america latina is fucking big.
I hope the psy peoples intos this countrys suport the scene best is possible.
For the rest of the world no excuse , buy cd guys!!!! |
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sherlockalien
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Posted : Feb 19, 2005 14:42
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buying cds is not the only way of supporting the scene... once again I say this...
I have 100000000000000000000000 cds (notice the Ego growing?) and I have spent 999999999999999999999999999999 $ on music last year (ok now its not the Ego, but my nose that is growing haha)
nah kidding..
but really, I buy my favourite cds... I still download music though..
I do know a lot of people in Brazil who dont buy cds because they are too expensive... 60% taxes when the cds come (except for very few times you are lucky enough that it comes through without tax people noticing it... ).. Also, the money being devaluated and all.. so summing all of this, its like if an european had to pay 50$ or something for a cd... Not very good.. So many people preffer going to parties, and in this way supporting the scene
btw, there are some high quality mp3s, and the difference between them and wav are practically unnoticeable, even in big-ass sound systems.. But it kinda sucks if a dj could afford cds, but only plays mp3s (specially bad quality ones).. |
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Cane
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Posted : Feb 19, 2005 18:54
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As for excuses, i find not important at all if Dj use mp3 or wav because Dj quality is much more important than audio signal for regular listeners. So illegal mp3's or legal mp3's has nothing to do with DJ subject.
Dj need to learn to mix so he acctually need in hardware like turntable or mixing panel in order to learn or practice his mixes ( not all dj's do it but not all artists use Neve consoles with live orchestra recordings) .
I don't see any logic in this topic unless it DON'T MAKE MONEY OUT OF ILLEGAL MUSIC. So it is regional, respect and personality problems rather than DJs. Same can go with artists and illegal software, labels with illegal software and taxes avoid.................. etc.....
To force Alien theory i would add, CD's are nothing for artists but parties are money source. Labels are too bad recently to get money but still they have enough for small job they do. Artists can live without labels but labels won't be exist without artists. Artist can always sell his stuff online using advertising methods or send it directly to distributor. Label guys just spam thru the forums while most of them have "money kind of taste nor personal taste"
Let's take DC++ as example, there are three hubs with psychedelic and ambient music summed 2000 users, let's assume 200 of 2000 download D-Tek album, then maybe four of these will organize a party with D-Tek inside their country and D-Tek would get more money from these four parties that he would ever have in music scene unless he start to work with Britney Spears. I don't know if you are naive or pretend to be good kind but world is different artists and labels got enough benefits from illegal music and these mp3 playing Dj who freely promote their music daily around the globe.
One more idea, illegal product "distributed" by warez treadmarks are used for learning process only nor getting money source using it. It means, i'm engineer when i was in school company called Solid Works freely distributed over the schools their products right now they are leading group for mechanical engineering when Autodesk (Autocad group) is nothing compared to them. Software is hard to buy coz we don't see it before we use it and software is much more complex than Tv or Microwave when manual is pretty enough to get it used by 100%. Music is the same, there is no proper places when you can listen to whole CD before buying it, no store around the world you can't decide by listening 10 or 20 second demo how good is CD, there so many CD been released these days so as far as i understand illegal is the only answer to poor quality and high quantity around.
at the end it is all about REGIONAL, RESPECT and PERSONALLITY causes.
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Justin Chaos
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Posted : Feb 22, 2005 02:55
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On 2005-02-19 18:54, Cane wrote:
I don't see any logic in this topic unless it DON'T MAKE MONEY OUT OF ILLEGAL MUSIC.
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That´s EXACTLY the point Cane...there is people who´s getting paid to play DJ sets with MP3,quite a lot actually,and being absolutely honest with you dear reader this is one of the things wich pisses me off badly in this world.
It´s REAL piracy.
PS:http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/56333/forum/1
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Cane
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Posted : Feb 22, 2005 03:04
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So there is a very constructive explaination for this issue. Internet is information source, software is information, everything can be stolen so must be rules? right, no because "freedom of surf" laws signed by Bill Clinton which are stick with two sides. One it allowes ppl to be private, second allows ppl to brake real ( not virtual) world laws. So i guess we should all wait untill new, hopefully better laws will be signed.
Nothing to do right now, we can't come to party and claim Dj using mp3 as piracy because he has recorded them on homemade CD, because he can argumentate this action as keeping the original untouched in order to keep it "alive, without scretches". More steps further will lead us to totalitaric regime for the most common information source which is internet which will probably lead us to "stick" with two sides once again.
I guess much smarter ppl trying to workon it right now in anti piracy groups. |
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UpLifTeR
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Posted : Feb 22, 2005 03:26
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At least you guys can buy what you like  here in my country there is VERY small distribution of cd's(infact i know only for wizard's releases on-line or in store) The other labels i can't find at all...I don't have a credit card either(i don't know a trancer here in my country that has)..So if you will be so kind to tell me how am I supose to know about the scene besides mp3 I will be glad to hear...I would like to buy my favorite cd's if i could though....
P.S. one more thing..the guys selling cd on the black market here sell only copied cd's becouse you know that the original is the MATRIX that all others come from...so i can't buy them from there too,becouse this will not make the artists richer,but this who sells it!!! |
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B_PM_
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Posted : Feb 22, 2005 12:57
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What's my excuse for downloading music?
Hmmm, simply, because i can. Well, i live in Brasil and i started downloading music in the middle of last year, cause there weren't any shops in Brasil, but when i travel i buy originals, becouse of the quallity and suport artists, i've bought this year Ananda Shake, Freedom Fighters and Mafia. And yesterday i found out a shop here in Brasil (www.soundshop.com.br) that sells CDs for a descent price so i pre-ordered the new albums from CPU, Sirius Isness and Damage. So, now im gonna start buying CDs in Brasil, but am i gonna stop downloading?? Of corse not, simply couse i don't pay 15 euros for 1 or 2 good songs and i wanna have unreleased songs, it's not my foult that artists are not registering good material, so that's it, c ya |
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traveller
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Posted : Feb 22, 2005 13:16
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On 2005-02-22 03:26, UpLifTeR wrote:
At least you guys can buy what you like here in my country there is VERY small distribution of cd's(infact i know only for wizard's releases on-line or in store) The other labels i can't find at all...I don't have a credit card either(i don't know a trancer here in my country that has)..So if you will be so kind to tell me how am I supose to know about the scene besides mp3 I will be glad to hear...I would like to buy my favorite cd's if i could though....
P.S. one more thing..the guys selling cd on the black market here sell only copied cd's becouse you know that the original is the MATRIX that all others come from...so i can't buy them from there too,becouse this will not make the artists richer,but this who sells it!!!
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cash on delivery? money transfer? a cheque? i haven't got a cc either and the finnish shop(s) have very little psytrance, especially after our little psytrance shop in helsinki went down cos people dloaded instead of buying 
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Spindrift
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Posted : Feb 22, 2005 13:46
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Maybe the little shop in finland closed because people buy more from saikosounds and psyshop?
The online shops don't seem to be on the verge to closing from what I can gather at least.
No, off course, it's the mp3's, root of all evil.
And why do you think there is hardly no-one with a cc where UpLifTeR lives?
Why do you think there is mostly black market?
Because it's one of this countries where people is crooked by nature?
Maybe the imported CD's cost just as much there in comparasion to the average salary compared to the cozy and well off bubble of reality called Finland?
Great sense of understanding.
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traveller
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Posted : Feb 22, 2005 14:33
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Dude I get 404€ a month from the goverment (cause I study) of which I pay everything but my rent. You think I'm swimming in money like Uncle Scrooge? Okay 404€ is a lot more money in 3rd world countries but then again a pint doesn't cost 5€ in a 3rd world country either. I doubt a pack of Marlboro lights is 4€ in South America either. A llitre of milk is probably way less than a euro too? People don't pay 3€ for a slice of bread there either..
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silici0
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Posted : Mar 1, 2005 14:59
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I really don´t care for unrealesed or new songs, so far i stop downloading music and burning CD´s, nothing better than quality.
I have just started buy Cd´s, old ones that i like, i don´t care, just want listen some music that i can appreciate whatever i am.
So i can help u guys who has spend a lot of time and money produzing music to make us happy.
So thank you for all the producer´s. You guys R0x.
No More, No Less, NO STRESS !!
Good Vibe, THINK positive AlWaYs.
Cya.
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