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what's wrong with talking about psychedelics?
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Psy_mystic
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Posted : Mar 15, 2008 17:58
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and btw NOONE ever died from psychedelix u muppet!
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phiber_optixz
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Posted : Mar 15, 2008 18:27
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yea your comment is so full of peace and love that it put me in a state of bliss .... u serious ?
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You never heard of anyone dying by using psychoactives? Is that news for you? May be you should read more before commenting... |
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Psy_mystic
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Posted : Mar 15, 2008 18:32
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On 2008-03-15 18:27, phiber_optixz wrote:
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yea your comment is so full of peace and love that it put me in a state of bliss .... u serious ?
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You never heard of anyone dying by using psychoactives? Is that news for you? May be you should read more before commenting...
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Care to point me to the right direction?
Even one example will do ,just one 
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Psy_mystic
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Posted : Mar 15, 2008 18:33
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did you know there's a lethal dose for water but not for lsd?
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phiber_optixz
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Posted : Mar 15, 2008 18:41
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On 2008-03-15 18:33, Psy_mystic wrote:
did you know there's a lethal dose for water but not for lsd?
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You're right about LSD! I was referring to psychoactives in general, not LSD in particular...
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_dose.shtml |
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Psy_mystic
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Posted : Mar 15, 2008 18:46
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hehe ok fair play 
I think shrooms are fairly safe as well but yeah there are loads of psychoactives , some are not even fully documented yet ..
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full_on
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Posted : Mar 15, 2008 19:20
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There is a lethal dose for LSD, Ecstasy, Psylocibin, DMT and all other psychedelic drugs (of course it depends on the administration form i.e. intravenous, oral, etc).
Even if it does not kill, much lower dosages can cause irreversible damage.
I know a guy who did 6 microdots at once and had to spend more than a month in a mental institution and even now (years later) has severe mental problems.
Back to the topic:
You can talk about psychedelics, but we do not recommend you to focus on drugs here. There are other better places for that.
That's it, and it's not a big deal.
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Posted : Mar 15, 2008 19:44
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jajaja 6 microdots, he was seeking problems.
There is a dose for every drug, and for a lot of info there is erowid.
Anyway people need to get educated about drugs, is very easy to do stupid things.
http://www.tripzine.com/listing.php?id=cool
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Aluxe
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Posted : Mar 16, 2008 05:39
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Yeah we can talk about psychedelics yet all these threads keep getting locked precisely because people are talking about psychedelics.
And now we have sections just to talk about movies, games, technology, etc. even though these subjects are generally not even relevant to psy culture.
Yet when it comes to psychedelics and tripping which is like the soul of psychedelic culture we have no freedom to talk here. We are politely told that there are other places/forums for that. Why yes, thank you, and there are other forums for movies as well. However this is the largest forum for psy trance and psy culture, it is where the online psy trance community seems to gather.
What makes Isratrance great is the number of members and artists from all over the world that are supposedly interested in psychedlic trance and psychedelic culture. That is why people want to talk about psychedelics here and not just in some other forum. So why can't the forum be true to what it claims to stand for? But mostly why can't this forum be true to the community of users and artists who would like to talk about psychedelics, yeah, considering that it is the community that gives this forum life. If the forum can't be true to what it claims to represent (for whatever reasons they may have) and wants to undermine this important issue, eventually another psy trance forum will step up to the plate. But you will not be able to take away the relationship between psy culture and psychedelics.
Please understand that it is just >>very confusing<< for a suposedly psychedelic forum to bann talk about psychedelics. Maybe change the name and concept of the forum so the community will be less confused and so you wont have to come up with weird or silly arguments that nobody can understand. Otherwise it all seems phony. Plain and simple. Sorry to say that, but its that psychedlics have been an important part of our scene since the beggining. And anybody that tries to undermine that has some agenda behind and is not being honest or is trying to change this scence into something that it is not.
The drugged out freak high on hallucinogens should find a home here. Instead we are making him an outcast.
And in the end these anti psychedelics rule only serves to attract people who are not really interested in psychedelic culture and to whom banning talk about psychedelics will make perfect sense.
And we can forget about the psychedelic part.
Just my honest thoughts
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shahar
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Posted : Mar 16, 2008 11:25
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Well, ppl, most threads concerning psychedelics are not locked when they are related to the musical, cultural and party experience.
We are not interested in drug discussions per-se here. These are serious issues (however light-heartedly some ppl here treat them), and there's a lot of responsibility involved. We just don't want to bear that responsibility. There are sites dealing with these things- use them (f.e. http://www.lycaeum.org/, http://www.erowid.org/)
Hope that explains better our policy.
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shahar
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Posted : Mar 16, 2008 11:34
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Here's something I wrote when this subject has risen in the past (took me a while to find it, we must improve the search....). It sums things up pretty well:
Reason we don't want drug discussion here is that it is my belief that music has independent existence regardless of what motivated its creation. This site is dedicated to music, I feel people can talk freely about music without anyone getting hurt (too badly anyway). I don't feel the same about drugs (and I do have some years of perspective). Now I think it's very important to discuss drugs, as dis/misinformation is the prime cause of drug damage, but this discussion should take place in places that deal with these subjects and took upon them that heavy responsibility. We cannot take this responsibility.
I hope that makes sense to you.
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phiber_optixz
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Posted : Mar 16, 2008 12:08
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^^ Very well said..! Now, that's the way serious topics like this need to be answered! I think this thread should be closed now.
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Posted : Mar 16, 2008 12:34
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music has independent existence regardless of what motivated its creation. This site is dedicated to music, I feel people can talk freely about music without anyone getting hurt (too badly anyway).
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True
lets talk about LEGAL MUSIC
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psysnoopy
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Posted : Mar 16, 2008 12:53
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I think most of the people here would like to talk about psychedelics, But at the same time, every community has its certain rules that must be respected 
"No Drug Talks" is one of the first rules of Isratrance, so if you are a part of this community, why not just follow the rule.
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Magox
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Posted : Mar 16, 2008 13:24
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I understand why threads can be locked because of mindless drug discussions. However, the 'Psychedelics are overrated' thread didnt seem to fit in to that criteria. The moderation on that topic seemed to be excessive in my view.
i've been noticing that more and more people are jumping on the "anti psychedelics" bandwagon. Every time it gets mentioned it gets shot down immediately. It sort of reminds of me of the same sort of philosophy of how some parents or schools or religions don't like to talk about sex with their children or students because they believe it isn't moral or right or whatever the case may be.
A lot of people seem to believe that there is more of a disconnect with psy and trance, maybe one of the reasons is because some of the people that are producing the music possibly have a disconnect with the psychedelics.
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