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What part of Live sets are LIVE??
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TiMMY
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Posted : Feb 19, 2003 23:28
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You're missing the most important point here:
A live act should be ALIVE, which means the artist has to FEEL the crowd, and it doesn't matter how it's done.
The greatest live show I've ever seen was Mandalavandalz's show @ PsyZion.
The man (Timo) used a laptop running fruity loops (and probably other stuff too), a kiddie style 2-octave midi keyboard, some 3.5-octave small synth for weird nosies and a microphone.
It was a one man orchestra, you could feel that Timo controled every little aspect of the music, that's what I call a good live show. |
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C3PO
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Posted : Feb 20, 2003 00:03
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On 2003-02-19 23:28, TiMMY wrote:
You're missing the most important point here:
A live act should be ALIVE, which means the artist has to FEEL the crowd, and it doesn't matter how it's done.
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That's exactly my point . |
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Ozonrevac
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Posted : Feb 20, 2003 22:10
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WEll im gonna explain my live set.. I play all my mixed tracks in logic and the LIVE part is that i play bongos and my virus b with a korg poly 800 for the keyboard! |
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Mind Manipulation
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Posted : Feb 21, 2003 15:16
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hi all
isn't it a shame to see all those great artists pretending to play live, when in fact all they do is pop a Cd?
personally, i think it is a lack of respect to fool the people that enjoy live-act's and pay good money to see them. it is extremely unethical to pretend on stage and is something that I will not do, no matter how much work is needed in the studio practicing for a gig. what I do is probably what lots of people do, audio tracks loaded into seqencer, midi track sending stuff to synths and all synth modeling is done live. I normally dounce the tracks by instrument (i.e: kick, bass, hats, snares and perc, ambience, leads) now i have 6 tracks, i set each set of intruments to an output of my terratec ews88 and now i have 6 tracks of audio that i can play around with on the mixing console, this gives me total control over the general mixdown of the tunes. the midi tracks send info to the synths on stage and midi bank change messages are used to change the patches on the synth automatically (yes, the old way).... so, in total I have 8 tracks pumping out for the crowd and the flexability is more of less there....
How do you guys do it? come on! give us your secrets, educate those that have no idea how they should do it, maybe in the future your contribution will help us to have REAL LIVE SETS!!
K
(maybe someone ought to create a post for live gig tips)
 Manipulation is to the chemist, like the external senses to the mind. --Whewell. |
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Jeto
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Posted : Feb 22, 2003 06:44
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If I do a live set I will probably do it this way...
Have an 8 track recorder and dump most of the channels to it and then you can control the mix of tracks accordingly and have a mixer connected with synths so you cann obviously have you patches saved in the synths and play alaong and tweak diffrently |
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Tomek
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Posted : Feb 25, 2003 00:21
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mind manipulation, i agree with you 100%. i think it's a skam when people just put on a cd/dat or stereo output form the laptop. it's amazing how many people DO it and get away with it time and time again.
this is how we do it with bigwigs tromesa too but only 1 sampler:
2 samplers (ESI 4000 turbo ZIP and E6400 Ultra) - total of 20 channels.
Nordrack 2, 2 fx and compressor.
ONLY midi running from a laptop.
also 2 CDJ and mixer which I use to mix in loops and samples.
The rest is freestylin, jammin and playing around with the arrangements.
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C3PO
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Posted : Feb 28, 2003 15:26
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DiGiTaL nOvA
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Posted : Jul 14, 2003 10:48
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liam howlett of prodigy should know how to do a cool and orignallive act with pure analogue stuff 1991,1992,1993. |
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solipt1c
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Posted : Jul 14, 2003 17:09
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I havent actually done it yet... but here's how i plan to:
Kitlist: Roland SP808-EX groovesampler, Korg MS2000R, Emu XK-6, Mackie CFX-12, Korg Kaoss Pad, CD Decks, Congas, Didj
Basically with the roland I get 4 simultaneous stereo samples, and with clever enough preparation of my loops from studio tracks, this is just about enough to contsruct the solid bones of a track -- ch1: drums, ch2: basses, ch3+4: synths, noises, etc.
then i have my xk-6 which has 16-channel multitimbral apreggiation with user-programmable arpeggiation settings, and i can bring in or out 16 different arps on 16 different patches, with buttons. So, i may offload a load of the arps and synths onto this leaving more sample space for drums and stuff. On the other hand the roland isnt sending midi clock so sync might be an issue, not sure about this yet. Probably I'll just use the emu for pads and stuff. Then there is the MS2K basically providing me a spare synth for jamming the odd line on top maybe.
The Roland fortunately has expanded I/O so i can take each channel separately into the mackie desk, along with the synths and cd decks. the desk has internel FX for tweaking each channel somewhat, (add a bit of reverb or whatever), plus we will have the kaoss pad wired up on the send FX 2, for more extreme FX processing (like huge tape delays or whatever).
then my housemate will be operating his cd decks alongside me, using them to drop in samples or beatmatch in new loops.
finally my ex-housemate will be jamming on congas and didj which will hopefully help me out - add a "live" element to distract the audience from any lack of fine detail in the music (compared with studio versions).
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Pavel
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Posted : Jul 14, 2003 21:17
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On 2003-07-14 10:48, DiGiTaL nOvA wrote:
liam howlett of prodigy should know how to do a cool and orignallive act with pure analogue stuff 1991,1992,1993.
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Donno, i've seen Prodigy live and the only analog piece i've seen there was Minimoog.
All the others: Nordlead, Virus and samplers.
Underworld on their live performances use 4 AKAI samplers if i recall, some FX processors, sequencer and huuuuuuge console, maybe 64 channels, which is pretty nice for electronic act. The just mute/unmute the channels and the singer sings over the sound. And it's pretty good and pretty Live show, let me tell you that much.
The Chemical Brothers also rely heavily on Samplers and big console.
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micromusic
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Posted : Jul 20, 2003 01:49
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well, this is the way i'm doing it:
i've got a rm1x controlling a s-760 sampler and a virus going into one side of a dj mixer and a rs7000 going into the other side. the nice thing about the yamaha sequencers is the 16 buttons on the bottom that act as mutes, so i can controll what happens when, like when to drop the kick. so far i have a dozen 'songs' on each machine, but there not really songs, there just midi loops with sounds assigned to them. this gives me total control of the set, bringing in parts from one sequencer while dropping off parts from the other untill all the sounds are comming out of just the one, then i que up the next song and what parts i want to bring in with the dj mixer. which also makes for a continuous set. plus they're midi loops so i have total control of the sounds as well (flters, lfo's, etc,). right now i cant imagine working any other way, esp. with a laptop. borrring. to watch anyway.
if your really interested, be sure to check out www.livepa.org
peace
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Kaz
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Posted : Jul 20, 2003 12:43
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I think the most important part of the live is the structure work. All things considered - improvising on the structure of the track is more important than anything else. If an artist sits next to a laptop and works only on that, but works hard, it's no less improvisation than playing all the leads and tweaking cutoffs, which any guy that can play the piano well can do. The best would be one guy (at least) working the structure of the track while another handles the synths. Of course, much better would be 4-5 people improvising things on the spot.
When I saw the Mandalavandalz live act, well, he played non-stop there, as many leads as he could, while tweaking everything he could manage as well, with a lot of energy and hard work. On the other hand, I watched Koxbox live, and while those guys didn't play the leads live 100% of the show like Timo did, they threw in track after track after track, into the mix, keeping new elements coming from all over their psytrance history (which spans about 10 years), all while reading the crowd like an open book (and no, they didn't play Crunchy Moles)... they did everything but throw in the kitchen sink there.
While it looked less live than the Mandalavandalz live, there was much more improvisation involved there. So don't stick to stereotypes from the rock world when talking about a live act, it just doesn't stick with electronic music.
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solipt1c
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Posted : Jul 21, 2003 01:24
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DJ_Chorman
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Posted : Feb 6, 2004 07:53
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Try infected mushroom with Deri Sochtev at Eliat last summer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
crazy creativity, crazy party, vocals guitar and all!!!!!!!!!!!
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