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What on earth is lead?
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jekvan
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Posted : Oct 3, 2010 10:29:32
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Recently got into music production,and trying my luck at good ole psy.My question is such:
I read much often "lead" here,"lead" there.I did my share searching the forum,and well,a lot of production techniques,which VST to use,and so on.
Google just gave me links to youtube tutorials how to do trance leads.So I get it,it is several detuned saws,fat nice sound,arpeggiated.
Having been listening to european trance back then,Armin Van Buuren and whatnot,I can see how it is handy.But kick me in the nuts and call me Pokemon,I haven't heard much of that in psy.Or thats what I think at list..
I am much of a new to music production (2 month new),so I still do not get what does it mean.Why lead?Where it leads,to whom it leads?If it leads,when and how does it ends?
And most importantly,how does it sound in psy trance?
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-=Mandari=-
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Posted : Oct 3, 2010 11:09
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it just leads your track mate, just like a singer does in popmusic. theres usually some lead vocals, some backing vocals, lead guitar, backing guitar, bass and someone agonize the drums....
so, its no specific sound, it´s a basic part one usually needs doin creational process of writing a track (this can be chill/ambient/prog/psy/euro/pop/jazz/classic/whatever). it does not have to be arpeggiated, saw, detuned, guitar, vocal whatever. its just one part in your song which "leads" your song (with different tasks for sure, like increase energy, decrease, lead to a break/stop/end/etc., connect sounds from the background, twirl around them, whatever comes to ones mind), while others play in game and kinda arrange the background in a track (story behind).
so one can say a leadsound is usually playing distinctive stuff in the foreground/mid like a singer does on stage while other elements are arranged around these, just like those other elements would be arranged on stage (like guitar leads mid left/bass guitar mid right/backing voc out right/drums mid behind/vocals mid foreground/backing vocals out left/etc). anyways does not mean that it has to be the same arrangement/real conditions. just like they wouldnt in reality.....
 cheers, hope kinda helped 
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daark
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Posted : Oct 3, 2010 11:19
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jekvan
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Posted : Oct 3, 2010 14:19
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Alrighty allmighty,thank you guys much.
Having using flstudio,just till I get the basics of EDM production (then its Cubase ),I'm mostly looking youtube tutorials.
I've encountered "lead" term in many tutorials,but alas,every single flstudio tutorial about is lead is how to make this arp saw synth melody ,which makes school girls jump with joy.You know,like all the epic trance and all that and whatnot.  The one where you have a line of notes occupying same pitch,then another line occupying same note octave above,and a third line which changes.
I think I share the same view on the "lead" subject,now that I know what it is,daark.I'd guess groove is an important part of dance music,and sometimes,less is indeed more.
My personal thought,in raves,when the beat and baseline are about to explode on you in a cacophony of sounds,when the DJ is preparing you for that epic explosion,after that momenteraly pause and BAM-"tatata-tatata-tatata-tatata" and you waving your arms and legs like a person who tries to swim in a sea full of sharks- I'd really say,for me,one sound escorting the beat+baseline is good.
Nice nuts sound,modulated to change it's character as progressed,but one that still let me groove the frak out with beat and baseline.But that's after the buildup,when I'm hiped cause DJ got my expectation high up Before and after,I do enjoy the artistic side of a composer. |
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loki
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Posted : Oct 4, 2010 07:46
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aaaaahhhh a GMS blast from the past. I remember the days when GMS was just plain rippin'. Good times. And now, last time they played at a festival near here, I went back to my tent to fry bacon instead of dance....
Also good times.
As for leads, I think I can elucidate the meaning of the term for you, OP: it's not leading somewhere or leading something, it's the fact that it's in the "lead" or "front" of the mix, if you will. The most prominent part. The melody that gets stuck in your head. And it doesn't have to be a saw or detuned saw arp or whatever - most of my favourite leads are not. White noise with loads of resonance and filter modulation, pulse waves with distortion, formant filtered vocal sounds, violin... saw waves are just popular 'cuz they sound nasty and are harmonically rich, so there's a lot of meat to dig into with filtering, fx, etc. Also, for psy, they just sound plain thrashing when played in lower octaves with a splash of distortion.
Dance, even if you have nowhere to do it but your living room. ~Kurt Vonnegut
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Cosmic Tandav
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Posted : Oct 6, 2010 08:05
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a lead could be any instrument or a series of various sound playing in a track which directs or get the most attention from the listener so as to 'lead' the listener through the track.
usually drums percussion and bass is not considered as lead ..but in psy trance i guess anything goes ..
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aciduss
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Posted : Oct 6, 2010 16:14
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It can be any waveform also... its defined more by its roll rather than the timbre, although most leads are pitched around c3 - c5 also where human vocals tend to happen.
Welcome to the wonderful and infinite world of the psychedelic trance production mate ñ_ñ
Most of the time anthem eurotrance leads are not well seen in psytrance... it depends, mixed with enough 303 they can sound nice, it is a mater of taste... most psyleads are modulated one way or another... mostley FM, RM, Phased, Flanged, etc...
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Ohmniologic
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Posted : Oct 13, 2010 15:23
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On 2010-10-03 11:19, daark wrote:
it is just the leading melody or a psychedelic acid sound could also be called lead.
it is a good topic here.
i think a lot of tracks lack this part as in trance the lead is the baseline and i find there is just a lot of parts with no leading part .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeijMF6w3dU
00:25 comes the lead for me so it leads all the track with nice trance formations and stuff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOSk4VgNHZo
00:25 comes in what would be an epic lead (with another acid lead after completing it)
you can have many tracks in your song that could be called lead . question and answer parts by two different leads. you know ...
it does not has to be one sound to be lead.but i think it is vital to make one only one good main lead part(with many modulations through the song) for the song to be killer stuff for me. but hey no rules.
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Ohmniologic
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Posted : Oct 13, 2010 15:24
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how kindzaza does that electric lead at 25sec do you now??
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On 2010-10-03 11:19, daark wrote:
it is just the leading melody or a psychedelic acid sound could also be called lead.
it is a good topic here.
i think a lot of tracks lack this part as in trance the lead is the baseline and i find there is just a lot of parts with no leading part .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeijMF6w3dU
00:25 comes the lead for me so it leads all the track with nice trance formations and stuff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOSk4VgNHZo
00:25 comes in what would be an epic lead (with another acid lead after completing it)
you can have many tracks in your song that could be called lead . question and answer parts by two different leads. you know ...
it does not has to be one sound to be lead.but i think it is vital to make one only one good main lead part(with many modulations through the song) for the song to be killer stuff for me. but hey no rules.
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Ohmniologic
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Posted : Oct 13, 2010 15:25
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how kindzaza does that electric lead at 25sec do you now??
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On 2010-10-03 11:19, daark wrote:
it is just the leading melody or a psychedelic acid sound could also be called lead.
it is a good topic here.
i think a lot of tracks lack this part as in trance the lead is the baseline and i find there is just a lot of parts with no leading part .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeijMF6w3dU
00:25 comes the lead for me so it leads all the track with nice trance formations and stuff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOSk4VgNHZo
00:25 comes in what would be an epic lead (with another acid lead after completing it)
you can have many tracks in your song that could be called lead . question and answer parts by two different leads. you know ...
it does not has to be one sound to be lead.but i think it is vital to make one only one good main lead part(with many modulations through the song) for the song to be killer stuff for me. but hey no rules.
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daark
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Posted : Oct 13, 2010 16:59
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PsYmOrPh
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Posted : Oct 17, 2010 00:04
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the kindzdza one is Fm ,use two oscilators in albino and route one to Fm and other to filter, and set the octaves is important, he also the same lead in reverse, that gives the kindzadza effect 
the gms one is a simple lead full of fx, phaser set to 1/32 and then cutoff automation i think |
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dija
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Posted : Oct 21, 2010 15:42
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