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What makes music trance-inducing?
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tla
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Posted : Jan 22, 2007 21:41
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These seem to be a few of common ideas:
1) The dancing itself is trance-inducing
2) The music must have a repetitive/static bass line, changing the focus to the other parts of the music
3) The music has a certain tempo, training the brain to the alpha state
4) The music must have at least 3-4 repeating individually engaging rhythms with subtle changes, and no sharp or unsettling changes
If 1-3, then psychedelic trance may be little different from other kinds of electronic dance music (from a trance-inducing aspect).
Personally I tend to think that they are parts of the picture, but not the whole picture.
Nr 4 is from http://www.trance.ch/music.htm .
How strong is the trance concept in nowadays' psychedelic trance music?
How much of the psychedelic trance music is trance-inducing, and how much of it has sudden changes (or breakdowns?) that can ruin the trance state?
And how important is the trance-inducing aspect of the music, anyway?
Please discuss. And I'd appreciate any suggestions of artists or labels that release really trance-inducing psy-trance. 
(These questions are not part of an article, thesis, school work or anything like that. Just something that's on my mind.) |
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Posted : Jan 22, 2007 22:49
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For example at a good festival, I believe (and have experiencied) that hearing music for long periods of time (3 + hours) while dancing (and getting physically tired and psychologically tired because you know the party won't end and you'll have to keep dancing) and not being able to talk to often (because of the high volume) lead human beings to focus on more small details and maybe lead to some introspective kind of thoughts or even clean the mind of most thoughts, which some people call a "meditative state".
Something in that way...
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Krell
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Posted : Jan 22, 2007 23:33
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On 2007-01-22 21:41, tla wrote:
Personally I tend to think that they are parts of the picture, but not the whole picture. |
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Your right, many things make up the big picture, but you addressed 4 major items. However, you forgot one important item and that is that the music itself must be “good”, or else the listener will block it out and not have the required open mindedness, meaning that the listener will not “tune in” to the music, in effect, not tune in to the trance inducing elements.
Why is this important ? Well, you could have all those 4 elements represented, but if you havent got this 5th element, then 1-4 are no good anyways.
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On 2007-01-22 21:41, tla wrote:
How strong is the trance concept in nowadays' psychedelic trance music?
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As strong as ever, because its still repetitive music. In fact, even if you had only a drum beating for many hours with no change, it might grant you access to deeper trance levels.
However, what psytrance does is not only to help create a trance, but it also tries to modify it using tempo, moods and breaks (there is more than one type of trance / trance state / trance level). I would be as bold as to say that, for me, todays music is better than what I heard 10 years ago.
Still, this is actually nothing but a matter of taste, what defines how strong the trance concept is in todays music is enforced by item #5 “Quality of the music seen from the listeners perspective, which is individual”.
Different people will have different opinions, but none of them should matter to you, because you have your mind and your mind is unique. So, in this case, opinions matter little.
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On 2007-01-22 21:41, tla wrote:
How much of the psychedelic trance music is trance-inducing, and how much of it has sudden changes (or breakdowns?) that can ruin the trance state?
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All is trance inducing, any repetition is potentially trance inducing. Movements, Thoughts, Sounds, Events…. So, when you have a repeating beat, theres a trance inducing element (if you can tune into it that is).
Breakdowns are not, per say, trance inducing, but rather trance modifying. Since when the breakdown occurs, you will start drifting up through trance levels. Most people can still count the beats inside their heads, which is a repetition of thought, thus it is trance inducing. Some people might loose the beat, but many breakdowns still have percussion or new sounds entering in the correct structural 4*4 layout, which helps people “stay in trance”, even though they might slowly drift up through trance states/levels.
Its not actually as easy as that, since sometimes people might be exhausted and need a break.. If you are really tired you might start focussing on your physical discomfort, and loosing touch with the music. Therefore, a break, sometimes, will actually help you stay in trance longer.
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On 2007-01-22 21:41, tla wrote:
And how important is the trance-inducing aspect of the music, anyway?
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They are very important, since its through the trance states that you get the distinctive dance experience. People are more easily influenced when under a trance or hypnosis, they are far more open to suggestion.
This means that the other elements in the music talk “directly to your soul”, or that you are more likely to react on them, in whatever way. Very abstract and organic music might cause you to act in random and unforseeable ways, stuff you wouldn’t normally experience (that is a part of the definition of “psychedelic”). Perhaps a voice will move you more, a melody or whatever.
During trance you shut down parts of your brian, which means other parts start to work better, for instance creativity and your ability to associate things & events with each other. Day dreaming for instance, I often experience that while in trance, the dream is then inspired by the music it combines with, I might be able to associate stuff inside the tracks themselves, or through the whole dj set, which paint an abstract picture (a story). There is of course a lot more to be said, these are just examples.
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On 2007-01-22 21:41, tla wrote:
Please discuss. And I'd appreciate any suggestions of artists or labels that release really trance-inducing psy-trance.
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You should really explore these things yourself, be independant. People have difference views on what is psychedelic and trance inducing. Its like, your asking people what kind of caramels you might like, instead of actually just taking the risk of trying it out for yourself.
In case you want recommedations, listen to DJ sets. They are the ultimate expressions of some music freaks idea of what works best for them. There are plenty of them at http://www.mixupload.com to download.
I wish you a good trip.
- Krell
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www.jesterrecords.ca |
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mk47
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Posted : Jan 23, 2007 06:43
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repetitive beats and psychedellic drugs
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Pt.
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Posted : Jan 23, 2007 14:02
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On 2007-01-23 06:43, mk47 wrote:
repetitive beats and psychedellic drugs
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I just had to jump 
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