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MadScientist
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Posted : Apr 24, 2008 02:53
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I defenately second your post alex. only thing to add is maybe a crane song hedd to your list of really good converters 
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psyaudionamics
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Posted : Apr 24, 2008 02:57
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PC ROCK, the hell with macs!
Also protools in my opinion ain't shit sorry I had to say it, it's just overblown hype... it may be popular as an standard but I just don't see it. It;s a piece of SHIT!
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MadScientist
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Posted : Apr 24, 2008 03:03
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the thing with protools is that its great to record bands etc, but for electronic music you re probably more or less right
and I really dont get how you guys get from soundcards/converters to mac vs pc??  the only difference I see is that there are better mid-range soundcards for macs, like apogee or metric halo...especially protools has nothing to do with that since its for mac and pc. https://soundcloud.com/hazak
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Alex Roudos
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Posted : Apr 24, 2008 03:05
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Let's not turn it to a PC vs Mac war again. There's no reason for that anyway.
MadScientist, that's why i want the Orpheus, to avoid extra ad or da converters. It's pointless to get any other ad or da converter if you have the Orpheus because that's why you buy it, for its converters.
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MadScientist
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Posted : Apr 24, 2008 03:12
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true, thats why I ignored that in my first post.
you are right about the orpheus, I'd also get it immediately if I had the money now. I heard that the dream series and the lavry gold should be even a bit better, but I doubt that difference will be recognizeable for any non-extreme-audiophiles...
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Upavas
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Posted : Apr 24, 2008 06:03
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Alex,
The 192 I/O from Digi is compatible with windows xp as far as I know, provided you have Pro Tools HD 7 or higher! Yes, they are iffy when it comes to pricing and all that, but I do like their products. True, there are bettr converters out there. However when it comes to the 192 I/O all I can tell you that most serious conventional producers use it as I have and I can tell you the converters are good! As far as the 003 and mbox are concerned, maybe not super converters , nevertheless I have seen the 003 used in professional movie productions from foley to adr!
I am pretty neutral when it comes to the choice of Mac and PC, both have their pro's and con's and both can be used with Pro Tools. I myself prefer PC simply because it is cheaper overall and also because I don't like Macs PC platforms, which I would have to use for my Fl Studio...
As far as Pro Tools being shit is concerned, I thought so for quite sometime, until I learned how to use the program properly, qnd I can tell you, it is great! Yes, from a midi standpoint it absolutely sucks, and they have yet to do their homework on that, but in all other aspects of sound design from editing to mixing, it's workflow and possibilities are superior to everything else I have seen, be it conventional or electronic music, and that includes the new Nuendo and logic 8, which are nevertheless quite impressive... it is just that the work goes so much smoother and faster on Pro Tools, and the quality of their products, why it is used so widely today. Upavas - Here And Now (Sangoma Rec.) new EP out Oct.29th, get it here:
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Alex Roudos
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Posted : Apr 24, 2008 11:59
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Upavas, i totally agree with you. Of course it's absolutely possible to get a pro result with Digi products. It would be crazy if it wasn't so and people would still be spending this kind of money for a PT system(hardware and software). The only objection for many people is how easy you can achieve this result regarding their hardware sonic quality.
Regarding Pro Tools as a DAW, i can only say that what anyone knows best is the one that works best. Every DAW has it's pros and cons, and i don't think there's a best one(well, except Reason  ) objectively.
MadScientist, here's the best part about Orpheus. According to Prism the Orpheus is better than the Dream series simply because it's newer and they took advantage of the new technology developments. Where the Dream series is superior is on its modularity.
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MadScientist
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Posted : Apr 24, 2008 12:03
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I dont know surely about that because I had never a chance to compare them myself, the only thing is I read something like a shootout between them on gearslutz where the converters of the dream series were considered a bit better than the ones of the orpheus.
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Posted : Apr 26, 2008 11:08
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I would add to what's been already said, that the most important thing in a soundcard, if you are doing everything Inthebox, is its mixing capabilities - its software. (Which today it's a flashy RME)
Keeping ADDA out of the equation for a simple fact that a digital i/o card is the best option for a good external converter solution.
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Posted : Apr 28, 2008 23:43
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WELL I CAN ALL TELL YOU DONT BUY APOGEE (THE EXPENSIVE LINE) HAD THE ROSETTA200 BUT EXCHANGED IT FOR A FIREFACE 800, AND THATS THE CARD I WOULD RECOMMEND TO YA ALL (OR THE400) DONT BUY ANY CHEAT SOUNDCRAPS, BECAUSE THEY ALL SOUND JUST AS BAD AS THE INTEGRATED CARDS IN THE COMPUTERS!!!!!!
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Posted : Apr 29, 2008 00:46
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Psytracked
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Posted : May 13, 2008 05:33
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On 2008-04-24 01:45, Alex Roudos wrote:
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On 2008-04-23 23:22, Upavas wrote:
If I had $4000 to spend I would likely get myself a 192 i/o from Digidesign...
Professional standard and you can add any console to it at any point. It is also what is used by most professionals around the world and has all the wordclock and timecode you will need... at least for music production. I myself have an m box 2 pro and am very happy with it. Great AD/DA converters and with a third party plugin 5.1 capability. It also is pretty stable overall. imo a great choice for a lot less money with high quality...
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Your suggestion means moving to the Mac platform
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Why does one have to move to a mac for the Digi 192?
****edit sorry some one beat me to it****
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Psytracked
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Posted : May 13, 2008 05:34
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On 2008-04-24 02:57, psyaudionamics wrote:
PC ROCK, the hell with macs!
Also protools in my opinion ain't shit sorry I had to say it, it's just overblown hype... it may be popular as an standard but I just don't see it. It;s a piece of SHIT!
My OPINION so don't get insulted.
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If you can't see it maybe you could try opening your eyes ;0)
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Psytracked
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Posted : May 13, 2008 05:57
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I was forced to use Protools about 3 years ago for a project at Uni. I was pissed off about it as I was a Logic guy. 2 weeks into the assignment I went and got myself a 002 and ditched Logic completely.
This is the really embarrassing thing. I had looked at Protools before, literally...lol...just looked and didn't like the look of it....ugly and bland. Boy did I miss the point.
I just don't understand the myth that its not good for electronic music production...It's MIDI is lacking etc. The only thing I found missing was NRPN's but to be honest I might use that once a year and you can get the same effect by recording and editing.
The limitation is hardware choice. But for me the DAW is more important than the interface. Even if Digidesign hardware isn't as stable as it should be. The software more than makes up for it.
Mute point. I think DAWS have effect on the song production. How you work etc. I think many genres including Psy could do with a fresh perspective.
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