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What makes a sound psychedelic???
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vipal
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Posted : Mar 1, 2009 06:29
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well my point is that a sound has to be new to be psychedelic. and that it triggers something deeper.
and from this comes my conclusion that this kind of music will never be something for the masses, but thats already off-topic. sorry for that.
and yes i think that dark psy is practically the only sub genre thats psychedelic when it comes to our electronic, kick-bass based music. full-on is more focussed on doing the same thing a little bit different and technically better but still based on doing the same thing again and again. (which i can like a lot but i dont think its psychedelic)
by the way X-rayz:
do you have any clue in what genre the topicstarter is doing most of his productions?
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klippel
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Posted : Mar 1, 2009 12:39
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after all these different perspectives it seems quite clear that everybody has its own understanding of a psychedelic emotion and hence the definitions of a sound that induces such a state of mind are numerous and individually different, right?
nevertheless to get back on actual topic what is a "psychedelic" sound: i definitly would say there are sounds that give you a special feeling without any effects, trancey melodies and stuff... playing a didge for example.. even without significant, modulation only the vibrations of the basic tone make me feel different. same is for a 303.just that bouncy earthly sounds..i mean why would we all use these harsh distorted ripping overtone rich leads and sounds..
so that would mean maybe the spectral content or the right keytone and its complex overtone spectra triggers that state of mind.. i do for example also find overtone singing quite fascinating and psychedelic..
but if thats something that everybody agrees with? i guess you will tell me hehe
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x-rayz
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Posted : Mar 1, 2009 13:23
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On 2009-03-01 06:29, vipal wrote:
well my point is that a sound has to be new to be psychedelic. and that it triggers something deeper.
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well thats true to some extent, but u still can repeat one track and it will again be psychedelic and u already heard that sounds, with time it will be less and less effective, depends on how much pyschedelic it was in first place
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and yes i think that dark psy is practically the only sub genre thats psychedelic when it comes to our electronic, kick-bass based music.
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I wouldnt agree with that, dark psy is psychedelic but in most cases its a bad trip..
I prefer progressive psy trance cause its mixture of psychedelic feelings combined with love and empathy so u have best from both worlds and it has best BPM ratio so u can dance all night..
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by the way X-rayz:
do you have any clue in what genre the topicstarter is doing most of his productions?
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you mean mubali? greg? well I listened some tracks, he names it "hard psychedelic trance"
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jizy
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Posted : Mar 2, 2009 00:22
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On 2005-02-12 05:47, EYB wrote:
Acid  and of course the other psy drugs.
But mostly our mind, psy Li Yun said it already, any sound is psychedelic.
NikC for me Faithless-Insomnia is a very psychedelic track.
If u are on acid (u don't need to be, but i think it is the best way to get the clue what psychedelic is) u see the whole world around u in another way. U see that the simplest think can touch ur mind and can give u great pleasure.
Peace
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u see the world in a natural form, psycadelic in my opinion is a natrual profound thing
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OpenSourceCode
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Posted : Mar 2, 2009 03:19
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i feel like the most psychedelic sounds are the ones that you recognize or enjoy or feel good about, but then something....goes wrong.....with them...
like i love a 303 sound, but on its not particularly psychedelic. it's just awesome. But if you start pitchbending and chopping and filtering and glitching a 303, it becomes psychedelic because underneath the FX it's that 303 we all know and love, but it's just....all...wrong....
ya know?
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Nectarios
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Posted : Mar 2, 2009 11:02
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I find that a simple saw/square 303 line, playing the right notes in the right context, with a basic delay/reverb is one of the most psychedelic things ever.
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Tomos
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Posted : Mar 2, 2009 13:21
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I don't know if I can really define it.
We criticise the style for being too samey, but stepping outside a set of predefined rules seems to cause the song to leave the psychedelic realm.
Everything that has been mentioned so far all all i nthe genre, but the only thing I can think of is that a sound or group of sounds changes or evolves over time. Which is why phasers and fx that modulate a sound are so important.
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bukboy
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Posted : Mar 2, 2009 14:39
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Is the question
[1] how to make a psychedelic sound?
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[2] what is it that uniquely makes a psychedelic sound, psychedelic?
if the answer is 2, then the answer can be one of two.
[3]either, a psychedelic sound is one that evokes a feeling of deja vu with respect to psychedelic substances.... which are entirely a personal and subjective experience
[4]or ( for the people who have not tripped ) it is a sound that other people call psychedelic ( at trance parties for example) which is the sound of what psy generally sounds like. i.e. dwaf dwaf dwaf, squeak squeak sqwauk.
"Psychedelic sound" is an abstract noun (clause), which means different people perceive it differently.
which means it can mean absolutely anything so long as its different from everyday sensory experiences.
Which means that it will evolve and change based on the artists inspirations and experiences, so long as people evolve, think and make new psychedelics. |
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Djones
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Posted : Mar 2, 2009 17:52
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Phasing, flanging and doppler fx is what I'm hearing all over when I'm on another level.
How sounds glue together as if it's liquid substance is also very noticeable.
Somehow I haven't found a track yet which mimics this effect. |
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Mar 2, 2009 18:30
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segment 7
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Posted : Mar 3, 2009 00:36
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for me a noise is psychedelic if it grabs my attention and makes me think "gosh.... that was odd, what was that?!"
Projection makes perception. The world is what you gave it, nothing more than that. It is a witness to your state of mind, the outside picture of an inward condition. As a man thinketh, so does he perceive- Anonymous
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segment 7
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Posted : Mar 3, 2009 00:38
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On 2009-03-02 14:39, bukboy wrote:
Is the question
[1] how to make a psychedelic sound?
or
[2] what is it that uniquely makes a psychedelic sound, psychedelic?
if the answer is 2, then the answer can be one of two.
[3]either, a psychedelic sound is one that evokes a feeling of deja vu with respect to psychedelic substances.... which are entirely a personal and subjective experience
[4]or ( for the people who have not tripped ) it is a sound that other people call psychedelic ( at trance parties for example) which is the sound of what psy generally sounds like. i.e. dwaf dwaf dwaf, squeak squeak sqwauk.
"Psychedelic sound" is an abstract noun (clause), which means different people perceive it differently.
which means it can mean absolutely anything so long as its different from everyday sensory experiences.
Which means that it will evolve and change based on the artists inspirations and experiences, so long as people evolve, think and make new psychedelics.
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very good answer
Projection makes perception. The world is what you gave it, nothing more than that. It is a witness to your state of mind, the outside picture of an inward condition. As a man thinketh, so does he perceive- Anonymous
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geekhorde
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Posted : Mar 3, 2009 05:26
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For me, a 'psychedelic' sound is one that:
A) Passes a certain threshold of complexity. This is entirely subjective, of course.
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B) Surprises me, at least once. Preferably more than once. This is of course related to A.
Subjectively, other things that connote 'psychedelicness' to me are delayed sound, sounds that are dynamically filtered over time, modulations, sometimes 'glitchy' sounds.
Also, if we're talking more specifically about psytrance here, I think the frequency domain is very important. There's an almost shimmery quality to good 'psychedelic' sounds, in my experience.
Also, I find many of the 'psychedelic' sounds found in psytrance to be, at the same time, both organic and synthetic or mechanical in nature. Again, it seems to come back to complexity. For me at least.
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mubali
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Posted : Mar 3, 2009 07:54
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Funny to see this thread resurface many years later...
as to the comment on what type of music I make, I just call it hard psychedelic trance, you can label it whatever else you feel so inclined... I just make it, you guys can sort out what to call it. Yes, I don't employ overt melodies, however I'd like to think the tonic nature of some of the strange sounds create a semblance of a melody in way that you wouldn't really expect it to.
Personally, I'm into complex sounds. Things that do make you wonder what the hell was that person thinking when they were making that sound...
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The Andychrist
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Posted : Mar 3, 2009 15:51
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I agree with whoever said that all sounds can be read psychedelically. =) Beethoven didn't have direct access to filters or delay lines, but he managed to create intense, moving, and powerfully psychedelic music. I think what makes a sound psychedelic is its context and relationship to other sounds or things near it.
If you want to enjoy sounds as "psychedelic", I think it helps to pay close attention to how they are arranged and actively listen for the producer's (or instrumentalist, singer, DJ, talkshow host, etc...) intent in the piece. Hopefully, whoever is responsible for the sound's existence put enough of themselves into it to allow you (like Greg mentioned above) to recreate an abstraction of what they were thinking or feeling (or thinking about feeling or whatever) at the time of creation or inspiration.
Also, whales and birds are awesome.
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