| Author
|
what makes a real pro bass
|
x^2
Started Topics :
1
Posts :
6
Posted : Aug 13, 2009 17:14:10
|
hi around the globe!
i have another bassline related question... yeah... zzzZZZzzz... sorry!
iīm producing stuff now since 13 years. mostly smaller theatre and tv related works and... no i cannot live of it! (just telling this so you know iīm not a complete amateur or beginner)
also as my favorite music iīm producing some psy trance / full-on sounds just for my own fun, not releasing anything (so far  ).
in my > 10 years conquest for the perfect ass-kicking-bassline iīve reached a point where i canīt help myself anymore and all the tutorials i watched / read couldnīt satisfy my questions.
i hope that there are some people here with professional background that may be able to answer my questions.
i love that kind of pumping 16th bassline with no or just few note changes in it.
some of my favorite examples are works by dna, black&white, x-noize etc.
listen to tracks
dna - syntetic dna (phonokol)
black&white - geronimo (hom-mega)
so lets get to my question finally...
why are their basslines so earth shaking and so full of life and presence in the mix? and how are these artists able to archieve it in every darn song?
is it maybe done in the mastering process and before mastering they are just average as in so many other tracks?
for example the tutorial posted by mike a is pretty good and gives you some good overall basics you have to pay attention to, but still the superb creme on top is missing (no offense!).
i would really trade my virginity for a look into one of this pro works. from how the basic synth is worked out by the used effects...
thanks for reading and any help! |
|
|
Colin OOOD
Moderator
Started Topics :
95
Posts :
5380
Posted : Aug 13, 2009 17:34
|
|
Psy_Clone
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
30
Posts :
398
Posted : Aug 13, 2009 17:46
|
Where can I find Mike's tutorial? and Ido's advice?
10X
 Now say the magic words: Bleep Bleep Deep Deep Wham..... |
|
|
|
x^2
Started Topics :
1
Posts :
6
Posted : Aug 13, 2009 17:52
|
mike aīs tutorial is this
http://forum.isratrance.com/bassline-tutorial/
ido ophirīs advice iīm just looking for myself...
and i just realized that i never tried a maxxbass on the master channel as it is stated in the manual.
quote: "To fatten the bass of a good mix.
To sharpen the bass.
To give bass better presence."
always used it on the bass channel itself.
/edit
thanks colin for your opinion. you are really a helpful guy! and the reason i asked is this "as far as anyone gets on their own". i wanna go on now.
but i agree with you that it seems a lot of mastering related. in tracks of the mentioned artists you can see in breaks without kick/bass that there is still a lot of low end sound going on. this is probably not in the pad / melody channels but a result of the added boost by master compression / bass enhancement / whatsoever. |
|
|
|
ThiagoNAKA
IsraTrance Full Member
Started Topics :
104
Posts :
1047
Posted : Aug 13, 2009 18:07
|
As far as I remember, Domesticīs tips was:
1)If u use not so stable synth(like Logicīs ESM, or Audiorealism Bassline) it could be better if u sample like 2 or 3 octaves. Try to render 8 repetition per note, then choose the best and coerents attacks.
2)If u use Cubase, try the Quadrafuzz plugs. Default settings is the way to go.
3)If u use Cubase, do not mind about master clips. From Idoīs experience, he thinks that CUbase master channel clip is a GOOD limiter. So, if u miss some power, try to clip little bit the master before the mixdown. Then push it litttle bit more with a maximizer.
LOADING... |
|
|
|
Obelizk
Amoeba
Started Topics :
115
Posts :
836
Posted : Aug 13, 2009 19:35
|
Quote:
|
On 2009-08-13 17:52, x^2 wrote:
ido ophirīs advice iīm just looking for myself...
and i just realized that i never tried a maxxbass on the master channel as it is stated in the manual.
quote: "To fatten the bass of a good mix.
To sharpen the bass.
To give bass better presence."
always used it on the bass channel itself.
|
|
Where did you read this?
www.musicproductionnatural.com || www.facebook.com/djamoeba | facebook page |
|
|
|
tjaal
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
23
Posts :
113
Posted : Aug 13, 2009 20:03
|
|
Colin OOOD
Moderator
Started Topics :
95
Posts :
5380
Posted : Aug 13, 2009 20:20
|
Quote:
|
On 2009-08-13 18:07, SMS wrote:
3)If u use Cubase, do not mind about master clips. From Idoīs experience, he thinks that CUbase master channel clip is a GOOD limiter. So, if u miss some power, try to clip little bit the master before the mixdown. Then push it litttle bit more with a maximizer.
|
|
With this advice, Ido is effectively using clipping on mixdown as the first part of his own mastering process. This works fine for him because he's mastering his own tracks; other mastering engineers WILL get frustrated if you send them a track which has already been limited or compressed, because it severely limits what they can do with their own process to improve the sound of the track.
Mastering - http://mastering.OOOD.net :: www.is.gd/mastering
OOOD 5th album 'You Think You Are' - www.is.gd/tobuyoood :: www.OOOD.net
www.facebook.com/OOOD.music :: www.soundcloud.com/oood
Contact for bookings/mastering - colin@oood.net |
|
|
|
x^2
Started Topics :
1
Posts :
6
Posted : Aug 13, 2009 20:59
|
Quote:
|
On 2009-08-13 19:35, Obelizk wrote:
Where did you read this?
|
|
maxxbass manual page 7
i just tried it. itīs a really nice thing. try it yourself!
Quote:
|
SMS wrote:
As far as I remember, Domesticīs tips was:
1)If u use not so stable synth(like Logicīs ESM, or Audiorealism Bassline) it could be better if u sample like 2 or 3 octaves.
...
2)If u use Cubase, try the Quadrafuzz plugs. ...
3)If u use Cubase, do not mind about master clips.
...
|
|
on 1) and 2) i agree. but itīs really a boring job to sample your bass sounds.
on 3)... i donīt know. i think itīs not a volume issue i have.
but thanks. |
|
|
|
lantiocho
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
21
Posts :
114
Posted : Aug 13, 2009 21:19
|
Hei man, I don't know if this is the right advise to give, but you can always pay a pro to mix something for you... Some reasons behind that: 1)More experienced and 2)Much better listening environment (than my bedroom). After trying for long now, I decided to go down this road and these are the results...
http://www.adrive.com/public/c20a46addd49d893e97a2411b9505479db9d99d1a150c2d8eb3acf97c8f44043.html
Before - After...Carefull with adjusting the volume!!!
www.myspace.com/antlabros |
|
|
|
lantiocho
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
21
Posts :
114
Posted : Aug 13, 2009 21:21
|
|
supergroover
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
39
Posts :
1505
Posted : Aug 13, 2009 21:27
|
|
Don't forget about the room acoustics. If you are producing in a small room the result will be very different than in a well treated studio. This is pretty important for the low spectrum. |
|
|
|
lantiocho
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
21
Posts :
114
Posted : Aug 13, 2009 21:31
|
|
x^2
Started Topics :
1
Posts :
6
Posted : Aug 13, 2009 21:56
|
well... wow! thats a difference. the "before" could be a little louder to compare it better. but still... wow!
so give us some inside knowledge if thatīs not a secret.
did you just go to "any" studio around your corner or which artist did you ask?
the "after" is already master compressed i guess with loudness maximizer.
iīm really interested in what you used / did to it...  |
|
|
|
sendtoglennc
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
22
Posts :
156
Posted : Aug 13, 2009 23:42
|
But this is the difference of Not mixed / Mixed right?
Then I dont thjink its amazing at all..
But if its before/after Mastering then my basslines ar killer ones haha |
|
|
|
