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What is your excuse for downloading iillegal mp3?
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Elad
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Posted : Dec 26, 2008 12:19
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On 2008-12-26 07:54, pete wrote:
Since a lot of artists, even moderately established ones, seem to get paid very little for tracks or sometimes nothing, let's just say $20. I could be wrong, but I'd like to think even in this community, people would donate that amount in a reasonable amount of time.
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200$ is low price
20$ is insult , rather they will spit in my face.
with the other part about donation and giving the music sounds good
you are welcome to download my new album for free (within 24 hours its ready)_
there is donation button on the bottom of the page
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pete
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Posted : Dec 26, 2008 12:30
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Of course...it all depends on whether an artist is getting paid *at all* for tracks and gigs, which even some talented ones (at least in the US) are not. |
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The Chilling Spirit
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Posted : Dec 26, 2008 12:44
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My "excuse" is that I grew up copying tapes from friends. I also recorded music from the radio to tape to listen to it. Then it was CD -> tape. Then CD recorders appeared and we could copy CDs for ~2.50€. About that time I started buying new CDs every now and then (maybe 3 per year). Before I either bought used records or copied them. I continued copying and all my friends did so too.
I still buy CDs nowadays from "independant" labels and artists. My collections is ~200 CDs. I also download shitloads of music. From the same kind of labels. Recently I got more and more into free music. I think I have more free music than owned & "pirated" combined now.
Copying is still normal. It just shifted from physical (tape, CD) to digital files. I still loving sharing music with friends and getting recommendations (in form of copies) from them.
No-one is getting hurt if I download something. It does not affect my buying habits "artificially" negatively.
If there is music I really like and I want to own, then I buy it (after downloading to validate my liking). If there is music I might like, I download it and decide after listening over a longer period. Not much of a difference if I listened to it on the radio, online streams or even samples on online shops, is it?
People have always copied music. People have always borrowed physical "sound storage media" to friends. People have also always bought music they like. People have always not bought music they like (or regret it afterwards).
Music sales are mostly ruled by popularity (what a surprise!). If many people like your music, you will have many sales. If no-one likes it, then you won't have many. And you cannot blame the copyists if your music does not appeal to their wallet.
Psytrance is a niche, unless you are making music for the masses (SKAZI SUCCCUSKSKS!!!!!11 eh?) you won't become rich. Realise that and re-think what you want to achieve with your music. Blaming piracy for low sales in a niche is being an excapist crybaby.
edit: I forgot
Without being introduced into Goatrance from 3 copied CDs by a friend, I would have never been interested in it. Without having downloaded various Psyambient releases I would have never found out about Ultimae and now I own more than half of their releases.
I don't like Psytrance but I love some older Goa/Psy releases. So I have to buy them used and the artists got no single cent from it. I could have just kept the files instead and it would not have changed a thing for them. But I wanted to own the CDs. http://enjoys.it |
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headyatail2000
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Posted : Dec 26, 2008 22:31
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the number of bad releases! and the GB of stuff on p2p's...
makes downloading al the more lucrative!
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David(KIVA)
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Posted : Dec 27, 2008 09:19
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Are Djs who actually gig ( a lot ) excluded? I'd like to hear from the artist.
Would making the cost of CDs cheaper help? Since money seems to be an issue for many on this thread.
In the US it costs a little over 300$ to produce 250 CDs. And even cheaper to make more then 250. Maybe artist should just pay for this. Cutting out the middle man. It seems that this could ease the problem for some artist considering they may only get a few hundred for just one track on a comp. The profits would go straight in your pocket. Distribution outlets I'm sure
don't care where there getting it from as long as they have it to sell.
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David(KIVA)
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Posted : Dec 27, 2008 09:36
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I should mention that all the artist I know or have met all say the same thing. You don't make money in this scene. And most have regular day jobs. And I don't agree with the point that someone made earlier about hobby producers. Quanity does not always mean quality. If I even tickled the notion of djing for a living I would be kidding myself. I actually like knowing that I don't depend on the one thing that feeds my soul. But Im not going to lie I sure as he'll don't mind the money.
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OpenSourceCode
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Posted : Jan 9, 2009 05:10
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Buying actual CD's is pretty much only for DJ's at this point.
I say, release the tracks that you want DJ's to use on various comps, and put the rest on your website as 320kbps MP3's for $1.99 apiece.
Make .wav's available for $2.99 each
Have some live sets and mixes and shit available to download for free. Presumably your livesets will sound different from the cd releases anyway 
The kids WILL buy them.
My example for this is Kilowatts. It takes about 4 clicks to buy an mp3 of one of his tracks from his website (kilowattsmusic.com) if you have paypal. I've bought dozens of his tracks, often just on a whim! As for live & dj sets, check out son kite's website.
This is the way of the future. Fuck cd's. Unless you're a DJ. Then buying a professionally pressed compact disc is actually a really good idea.
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Yidam
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Posted : Jan 9, 2009 11:02
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2.99 is way too much for one wav file.
say an average CD has 10 tracks = 16$ (shipping included) where you are getting a physical CD + artwork and the ability to rip the tracks to wav anyway at approx 1.6$ per wav.
so ideally it should be priced at 1.50 $ per wav (max)...if you subtract 10 cents per track for the artwork, pressing and shipping costs.
we buy CDs at 5-8 $ a piece here in India and I pick up CDs without even having heard more than 10-12 seconds of a track just because it's affordable.
... so when I do shell out that 100$ for 6-7 CDs on saikosounds I feel the pinch bigtime.
Then they expect you to shell out more than that just to download wavs?!?!? sorry boss no go... just isn't viable unless you're earning in euro or pounds.
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OpenSourceCode
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Posted : Jan 10, 2009 19:17
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okay so $.99 for mp3s, $1.99 for wav's. Whatever.
you're missing the point. The web offers INSTANT GRATIFICATION. You can have the music, and the satisfaction of actually supporting artists you love in practically no time at all. You don't have to wait 2 or 3 weeks for a cd to arrive in the mail.
I really feel like the only reason anyone would need a hard copy of a cd at this point is if they're a DJ.
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Braindrop
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Posted : Jan 10, 2009 23:29
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I have to say... .that this thread has been very insightful. Have learned quite a few things from this.
From the current psyche of the listener to things that i need to do.....
Keep em comin  !
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 12, 2009 08:24
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OpenSourceCode !!
http://www.myspace.com/kilowatts
WICKED! i never heard before! thanks for heads up! Real great music....
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"There is a vitality, a life force, an energy, a quickening that is translated through you into action, and because there is only one of you in all of time, this expression is unique. And if you block it, it will never exist through any other medium and it will be lost. The world will not have it. It is not your business to determine how good it is nor how valuable nor how it compares with other expressions. It is your business to keep it yours clearly and directly, to keep the channel open. You do not even have to believe in yourself or your work. You have to keep yourself open and aware to the urges that motivate you. Keep the channel open. ... No artist is pleased. [There is] no satisfaction whatever at any time. There is only a queer divine dissatisfaction, a blessed unrest that keeps us marching and makes us more alive than the others"' ~~Martha Graham, Dancer and Choreographer, 1894-199"
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Yidam
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Posted : Jan 12, 2009 09:54
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it's not whatever man.. it's the difference between buying it and downloading it illegally.
Single Tracks:
$.99 for mp3s, $1.50 for flacs
Albums:
$5 for mp3s, $8 for flacs
what artists need to do is break into the psyche of the illegal downloader. pay a little extra and get a fast server download, full-resolution artwork and for some, the peace of mind of having supported the artist. do that while flooding illegal download sites with legal versions of the release but at low mp3 bitrates.
if you go the usual CD route, about 3$ from each CD goes to the artist... so they should ideally keep it close to that amount.
Kilowatts has the ideal setup! Every artist should have a page like that.
CDs are for DJs... totally agree. till the point that it's cheaper to download legally that is. Beatport is more expensive than CDs, ITunes is mp3 crap, the rest have no proper structure for sales. Would love suggestions of sites that sell music at the prices quoted and shall wholeheartedly switch over.
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The Chilling Spirit
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Posted : Jan 12, 2009 11:59
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Tula
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Posted : Jan 12, 2009 13:14
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well there is no excuses .. but f***it, I cant always buy a CD.... In that case I DL music I wanna hear - dont crucify me cause that  .. ppl here usually have that custom....and I understand , but ffs chill a bit
LIFE Is Just The Choice Between FEAR and LOVE.
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V3NOM
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Posted : Jan 12, 2009 13:21
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so if I go to a jewellry shop tomorrow and steal a diamond ring and don't get caught it is all good then? I should feel ok with this?
because no matter what you say downloading a copyrighted song illegally is exactly the same thing
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