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What is your excuse for downloading iillegal mp3?
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mk47
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Posted : Dec 15, 2008 08:18
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yeah thats the future , sell music directly of ur myspace or whatever for the most part , apart from releasing on various labels just so people know u exist .. itd be easier for the established acts .. waiting for it all to come to fruition , i buy cds i really really like , but even then there's almost always a track or 2 i don`t like .. a buck saved is a buck made .. so do it
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Elad
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Posted : Dec 15, 2008 08:54
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why you all think love is in war with money , because thats your lifes maybe. in my life the more i love something the better i do it the better i get paid.the fact i love it doesnt make me stupid , when the hole lineup get paid XXX i will not come for a kiss u know heheh
does a lawyer that likes his work does not get paid? he does !  www.sattelbattle.com
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mubali
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Posted : Dec 15, 2008 09:29
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However, the lawyers that work pro-bono usually get money from the government or are required to work certain pro bono cases in order to become certified in certain types of law. Not to mention, none of these lawyers work pro bono all the time. Otherwise they would not be able to pay off the extensive loans invested into their education. Of course there are lawyers that love working for the public at no fee, but you ask them to do that all the time without some sort of financial backup plan and they'll laugh at you. Like it or not, to live in this world, there is a cost. As a human being you have talents and the way the current social paradigm is set up, you use those talents in exchange for what is necessary in life as well as what is considered luxury.
I don't feel love is in war with money, but to love you must live, and to live you need money. As for loving it more and getting paid more for loving it, I don't share that same point of view. You can love something and devote your entire life to it, but it doesn't mean that you will get paid more for it. In fact, there's a massive undercurrent to this scene that banks on the fact that you love it so much, you won't mind making continual sacrifices for it? And for what??? If it's solely for you, then you wouldn't care about who buys it or even heard it, you'd be content in the making of it and probably not even think to the performing aspect of it. The fact of the matter is everyone likes being the center of attention in some sort of way. Whether it outweighs your want to make music or it's included in the process, you seek some sort of tangible recognition for your effort, and that is what the heart of the matter is.
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Elad
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Posted : Dec 15, 2008 10:31
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here is how i see the recognition about my work:
-hundreds of dancing smiling people , very often
-i share my current work with artists i literly admired some years back (and still do)
-i have greater studio evry year
-i get great reviews on my music from people in various unexpected places and situation
-and yes there is money in it too.
maybe you ask too little from the gods. wish for more they are generous.
and on topic , giving your music for free will earn you more money then thinking old fashion lables way thats my other point. i know you see the word "free" and immidialy think "where is the money" but the cosmos work in beautifull ways that are actualy easy to understand if u just want to www.sattelbattle.com
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Elad
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Posted : Dec 15, 2008 10:58
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mubali
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Posted : Dec 15, 2008 12:09
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In theory yes... however, in theory when you release music, usually there's some monetary bonus that happens too.
Also, each artist story is different depending on where you're from what what your life is like. Here's my logic behind it. Making music takes time. There are only 24 hours in a day. In order to make sure you can afford those synthesizers, or the electricity to power your computer you will need to spend some of that time doing something that will help you acquire the current item of trade necessary to even pursue any particular hobbies. Now, making music takes time, and if you really enjoy it, you try to do it every day. Now if an average of 8-10 hours of your day is spent acquiring what is needed to perpetuate your lifestyle, and maybe 6 hours a day is used to recharge your body, then that leaves between 8-10 hours to do whatever else you have to do in your day, which also includes your passions. Not to mention to create, usually requires a different mental function that what you might normally use for your job or whatever you do to pay your rent. That makes things a bit difficult to really put in the time to really craft that hobby.... Personally I feel that I have progressed much farther with my music not actively working than I did when I was working full time.
Now onto the gigs.... Yes they generally do pay a lot more than individual track sales, but there's a couple intangibles that haven't been mentioned yet....
I'll cite myself for example... I live in the US. If I want to play in Europe, I have to arrange a tour and come for several months in order to offset the costs of bringing me over. This means I don't get to see my own couch (if I had one) or anything for a couple of months at least and to be honest especially at parties sometimes there are organizers that can't pay for one reason or another. So in the end we're stuck because it isn't about money, but to keep us comfortable enough to craft our trade.Now since I live quite far away from where most of the events are happening, this means nobody is really interested in flying me out more than once a year.
My solution to this is to do what several other US acts have done.... move to Europe... either that or it's time to rethink things in regards to how much time I really want to put into this... There has to be a balance. You have to do what you have to to do what you want to, and use any talent you have to help ensure your comfortablility, in all aspects mind body and spirit.
All I ever asked once I started traveling was just to be able to have a good experience and maybe be in a position where I could spend my life crafting my art.
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makus
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Posted : Dec 15, 2008 13:43
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Elad
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Posted : Dec 15, 2008 14:35
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fair enough , there is diffrence from place to place its true.
but dont tell me my luck is to be born in war zone .. 
not to mention in place like israel there is actualy big big 'compotetion' on deck time...
i still believe its all about making the best music you can.
do you really think if simon posford was coming from usa people would say something on expensive flights or hotel expenses?
why dont you play in brazil and mexico its much harder for me to get so far.. nothing just 'happens' but you can make anything happen
i know for people with immidiate need for money its hard to look farther , but its not impossible.. i worked hard enough to have the space for music. its question of priority too , my studio worth my non existing car , my trips to promote the music in the world i could work for alot of money , but i believe in my way , music and love. goddamm u make me sound like hippie hehe
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mubali
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Posted : Dec 15, 2008 18:41
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I know what you mean about Israel. Some of what you were talking about was quite apparent when I went there this year. The plane ticket to Brazil is just as expensive as going to Europe by the way, and based upon experience in Mexico, I know that it's not quite a cut and dried as you would think. If I play somewhere where I'm not down for the vibe, then it's highly unlikely I'll come back, no matter how much they offer. Parties aren't a guaranteed revenue source and especially since you're from Israel, you know that some people make it a point to take advantage of others. When I first started traveling and whatnot for music, I was more than happy to go anywhere anytime... however after a couple of years of having a first hand view of the not so hippie aspect of the scene, I realized that if I didn't actually be cautious of people especially with a different mindset about the event, then there's the possibility that someone would definitely attempt to take advantage of me. And this is honestly a direct result of being screwed over frequently due to being a nice person that just loves the music for what it is...
If Posford was from the US, I can almost guarantee that he probably wouldn't have nearly the exposure that he has due to some of the connections that he has. One massive intangible that never gets mentioned about any sort of music genre is sometimes it's more about who you know than what you know. As it stands now if the money things wasn't seriously an issue, there'd be a lot more people from Europe playing in the US as well...
One thing that I noticed at least in my situation is that if you are going to make these trips to Europe on even an annual basis for a couple months or more, you need to pay for your place while you're away, or do like me and forego having a place to live until either you can afford it or you get tired of it.
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Elad
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Posted : Dec 15, 2008 19:27
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im sorry this were your expiriences.
for me i did got ripped of , throu 6 years i played hundreds of events.. hmm in israel once and other time on 50% , and once in australia for tiny party (200$) , and some discounts for parties that got busted or didnt do too well is acceptabke to a point.
all in all its such small precent of the cases for me that i kind of ignoring that it happens (offcourse take advance pay is always good idea too)
i wish you and evryone expirience the good side of this story , its fun and its amazing as well paying in the end of day.
anywayz to make your own site and store is allready good move , mine is under construction 
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Dec 15, 2008 19:48
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All this is fine if you're actually getting bookings. "Trips to Europe on an annual basis"... "trips to promote the music in the world"... I can only dream. At the moment OOOD has exactly one booking outside the UK - next summer - and exactly one booking inside the UK - at the end of January. Voice of Cod in the Northern hemisphere (Andrew lives in Oz now) has one booking, at the end of January. Both acts have recently released albums which have got outstanding reviews, if only few of them so far.
Is it right for an artist to 'expect' anything in return for his work? Does the fact that you write really good music and make it available to the public 'entitle' you to any reward?
To paraphrase your sig, Greg: I don't tend to get what I want in this scene. I don't even tend to get what I need to survive, even given my other sources of income as music tech tutor and mastering engineer. But how can I know what I deserve?
Mastering - http://mastering.OOOD.net :: www.is.gd/mastering
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Elad
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Posted : Dec 15, 2008 20:22
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WOW REALLY ????
since 1/1/07 i had more then 30 gigs... more then half overseas... and i think its not enough!
your promotion is not good enough thats 100%
how much time in a DAY you do promotion ? (and no isratrance comments are doesnt count)
with how many agents you involve?
anything you actualy DO for that to happen beside wait for email ?
you want to know what i did today for example? i actualy just deposit few hundred shekelz to isratrance for banner space , the banner is promotion for free album im giving in full quality...
maybe im naive but it seems i do just fine www.sattelbattle.com
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Zoopy
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Posted : Dec 17, 2008 11:02
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money means nothing.
and what i mean is.
just because people are downloading mp3s, it doesn't mean the music will stop or the parties will stop or whatever you love about this community will stop. it just isn't possible. technology is expanding and spreading too fast, there are more important things to worry about. |
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Elad
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Posted : Dec 18, 2008 20:00
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Penelope Pitstop
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On 2008-12-15 19:48, Colin OOOD wrote:
At the moment OOOD has exactly one booking outside the UK - next summer - and exactly one booking inside the UK |
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The UK booking is from a friend of yours! *sigh*
Take a long HARD look at urself then m8 - no-one in the UK books you for reasons you well know! (yes, you yourself, all alone, managed to piss off most of the promoters)!
deja-vu or what!
get a grip 
As suggested - ur marketing is rubbish - and ur reviews are from ur MSN buddies (hi Nemo) - but also ur presence on forums with your holier than thou attitude has finally taken its toll - u reap what u sew/sow (can't spell) Colin! So....
</monty python funny walk>
Back on topic - I downloaded the new OOOD album and deleted it! Nothing new - same old stuff recycled as a new album!
If I like what I hear from downloading something, sure, I'll buy it - but these days, it's better to try b4 u buy
Long gone are the days where people went "wooooo" a new Goa CD - must have it - cos the production these days is crap! (apart from a few - you know who you are) |
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