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What is your excuse for downloading iillegal mp3?
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Kane
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Posted : Dec 12, 2008 17:38
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All I'm saying is that to stop making music because your album doesn't sell as much as you want it to is just totally wrong..
  You believe in the users?
Yeah, sure. If I don't have a user, then who wrote me? |
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Tex77
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Posted : Dec 12, 2008 17:49
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some people buy cds, some people buy party tickets. In the end both "buy music", and support the artists and the scene in different ways
as i said before, of course there are problems and things that can be done to improve the situation.
There are artists that doesnt play live, witch i fully respect and i dont think they should change.
Each label and artist have theyr own characteristics, different public in different countries and cultures. So each has to think what can work in theyr specific case.
And i really doubt "cd sales" in any other eletronic genre is going so well
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Tex77
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Posted : Dec 12, 2008 18:29
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On 2008-12-12 12:28, Pustelga wrote:
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Of course there isnt a perfect solution, or just "one" solution. But you can always think in alternatives
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the labels can redefine contracts and try some agreement with theyr artists. Everytime an artist is booked to play in a party, the label gets a small percentage (like 3%)
Fair enough
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That's not happening. Do you know how little psytrance artists get even to play parties?? I mean if teh label took a percentage it would be a joke, for the artist and the label. 3% of lets say 1000 Euros (most artists play for less than 1000 euros, very few mainstream ones play for more)...so 3 % is 30 euros man...do you see the joke in this??
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no i dont see the joke.
if its 3%, 10%, 30%, i dont know. But i think its fair to give something for the label (since they are promoting the artist,finding shows to him, webspace, the artist is using the label name, etc)
So labels and theyr artists can sit and come to a percentage thats is good for both sides.
take 10% just as an example. If an artist charges $500 for a live, he pay $50 for the label (fair enough since they find the show for him)
and he stay with $450 to play 2 hours, with free plane tickets and accomodation. Sounds good to me. Most of people here wouldnt get it in month.
if he wants 100% of the money, ok. Quit the label and take care of everything, admnistrative issues, bookings, promoting, making music...
The label gets $50 (witch is almost the same as 2 cds beeing sold). Its not much money but this is just for one show, and just one artist. Now you multiply all the artists on the label, and during all the year (and its from theyr interest to get you the biggest number of shows).
Plus the publicity. after just one party you will have 5000 people talking "wow, those zenon rec guys kick-ass, i cant wait to go to another party to hear them"
but of course there are things you are right. Sometimes more underground projects, or stuff like tech-trance, suomi or goa are not frequently booked. Some crews are just dumb, but in other cases party producers are afraid to loose money with stuff that dont atract much people.
but you can always think in some partnerships, those labels must show interest too look for people that want to bet in them.
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Pustelga
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Posted : Dec 12, 2008 19:03
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On 2008-12-12 18:29, Tex77 wrote:
no i dont see the joke.
if its 3%, 10%, 30%, i dont know. But i think its fair to give something for the label (since they are promoting the artist,finding shows to him, webspace, the artist is using the label name, etc)
So labels and theyr artists can sit and come to a percentage thats is good for both sides.
take 10% just as an example. If an artist charges $500 for a live, he pay $50 for the label (fair enough since they find the show for him)
and he stay with $450 to play 2 hours, with free plane tickets and accomodation. Sounds good to me. Most of people here wouldnt get it in month.
if he wants 100% of the money, ok. Quit the label and take care of everything, admnistrative issues, bookings, promoting, making music...
The label gets $50 (witch is almost the same as 2 cds beeing sold). Its not much money but this is just for one show, and just one artist. Now you multiply all the artists on the label, and during all the year (and its from theyr interest to get you the biggest number of shows).
Plus the publicity. after just one party you will have 5000 people talking "wow, those zenon rec guys kick-ass, i cant wait to go to another party to hear them"
but of course there are things you are right. Sometimes more underground projects, or stuff like tech-trance, suomi or goa are not frequently booked. Some crews are just dumb, but in other cases party producers are afraid to loose money with stuff that dont atract much people.
but you can always think in some partnerships, those labels must show interest too look for people that want to bet in them.
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First of all, there are not alot of parties all year round. Hell Boom only pays an artist $500-$800 or a dj/live set.
Lets say one artist on average plays 20 parties a year (this is a very optimistic number, 2 parties a month for one artist) for $500 per party, thats $10,000 for the whole year...sorry man...thats under the poverty line in most countries. Rent itself for a small apt cold be $1000 a month, this money doesn't even cover rent. Maybe in Brazil it does, but in many places it doesn't. Give 30% to the label, hell the artist is left with $7000....and usually the label does not take a cut...Maybe commercial mainstream ones do, but most underground labels don't.
If you're will to pay money for a ticket to a party, and pay money for drinks and substances, why can't you pay a little money for the music? That stays with you for a long time?? |
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rich
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Posted : Dec 12, 2008 19:26
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On 2008-12-12 17:13, Remy [POF] wrote:
Dude you got me all wrong, you think im fucking crazy or what? if i would want to make money i would have been a porn actor a long time ago 
What i basically meant is that i think it's fucking unrespectful to send messages to artists and say that their music changed your life and that you love it, blablabalabla.... when you didn't even buy it.... I understand that in some countries they can't cause the economy is shit... and im not talking about those...
I don't know about you, but when i like someone's music i buy it... or get a my hands on a promo somehow 
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That's why I suggest artists create a Paypal account or some means of receiving funds. Maybe that guy who sends you a message praising your music will do so in the message section of the Paypal payment he's making, out of gratitude.
I know there's been many times I wished I could do this. (especially to obscure suomi artists who produced an awesome track that I would gladly send over a few bucks for out of sheer gratitude). |
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DJ_PSYNYDE
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Posted : Dec 12, 2008 19:47
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GET IT EASY 
i prefer to be invisible .... on my chat account .... |
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CMeRTb FaWucTa/\/\
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Posted : Dec 12, 2008 19:55
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^^^ or artists (or i guess labels since they own the music) can make use of the multitude of websites where people purchase mp3's and the artist/labels profit from each purchase.
I am shocked that I can't find most psytrance i like on such websites. If you don't make use of them and end up failing and I can't help but NOT feel sorry for you or your plight as a musician.
All artists stand to make a LOT more $$$ if their tracks were available for individual download. Artists trying to make people feel bad because they downloaded their album as opposed to buying it when they only like 1 track are PATHETIC. |
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Tex77
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Posted : Dec 12, 2008 20:38
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Btw, Nice ideas to think about.
i guess i need to learn more about how paypal works.
Make more easy to receive those funds. I never liked to buy things in internet, putting some credit card number. Maybe paypal is an option, dont know. Or maybe a label tent in a festival, with one guy representing the label (taking donations, selling tshirts). Its just one more option, more "face to face".
Theres a big part of the scene that is not so active in internet. And even those who are, many just dont buy nothing in internet.
take psychedelic clothes for example. Many girls would never enter in internet to buy it (of course many do). But once they are in a party, and they get stoned, they feel a freak compulsion to buy clothes, lol
So maybe its a matter of making it more accessible.
But of course different places will need different strategies.
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Fria Tantrumm
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Posted : Dec 12, 2008 20:46
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These are but a multitude of EXCUSES for downloading music FREE..even if you only like one track on an album, even if you have no money, even if you think it's the psy way...THESE ARE ALL EXCUSES to justify doing something wrong, an anti supportive gesture. Whatever your justifications, only you benefit and the guy whose music you download is losing out. Any which way you look at it..it won't last. Yes labels will close, artists will go mainstream, or just make music for their close friends. Basically the more you indulge in self satisfactory one sided gestures, eventually so will the artist. If you really want to help, but think that you need to download an illegal mp3 BECAUSE the tracks are not available online...then once downloaded why don;t you'll write to the artist or the label and say"Hey I like this ONE track and I want it so can I pay you for this ONE track I downloaded illegally??" I mean if someone sent me such emails, I would more than happily comply. But the truth is no one give a F***. No one Really wants to pay even for that ONE track if they can get it for free.
I just hope to hell that we come out with a media format that is non transferable. Maybe this is the next step.
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Tex77
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Posted : Dec 12, 2008 20:48
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maybe dowloading "illegal" mp3 is much more exciting 
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leaetherstrip
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Posted : Dec 12, 2008 21:15
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Distrubition has to be more creative!
An example of this.... When I used to buy alot music from independent labels we were die hard consumers of certain artists and these artists would release limited(1000) edition box sets that contain t shirt, post card, cd and other goddies. And ofcourse this box sets would sell out and they would cost 50 100 dollars.
If artist and distribution would sell something tangible like a t shirt or wallet or key chain and you got the music for free I think people would be more motivated in spending more money. This is just an idea I dont know if it acutally would work. Sure you wouldnt make tons of profit like selling cds but at least you get something from it. |
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Fria Tantrumm
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Posted : Dec 12, 2008 21:24
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On 2008-12-12 21:15, leaetherstrip wrote:
Distrubition has to be more creative!
An example of this.... When I used to buy alot music from independent labels we were die hard consumers of certain artists and these artists would release limited(1000) edition box sets that contain t shirt, post card, cd and other goddies. And ofcourse this box sets would sell out and they would cost 50 100 dollars.
If artist and distribution would sell something tangible like a t shirt or wallet or key chain and you got the music for free I think people would be more motivated in spending more money. This is just an idea I dont know if it acutally would work. Sure you wouldnt make tons of profit like selling cds but at least you get something from it.
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More excuses..If you can spend $50 for a T shirt + Key chain etc...you can spend $15 for just the music. Labels deal in music, not apparel, offcourse promotional material comes around once in a while..but labels aren't clothing store nor are they key chain outlets. BUY THE MUSIC.
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leaetherstrip
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Posted : Dec 12, 2008 21:58
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Current distrubition is not working people are not buying cds nor paying for downloads and once faster internet speed are implemented in more countries and better quality becomes available for sure people wont buy music at all THIS IS THE REALITY accept it or not! And people dont need any excuses bottom line
Is easy to point fingers and say you are sinners, excuses is more difficult to actually come up with ideas to the problem I am an open minded person so GIVE me ideas, solutions!!! |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Dec 12, 2008 21:58
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Filesharing now works as A+R in the scene, since many labels seem to have failed in their duty to screen their releases for quality. Where before people might buy everything on a particular label because of its reputation for quality, nowadays everything gets downloaded and listened to, but only the music that genuinely touches people will then be bought, whether as a physical CD or paid-for download or donation. For a long time, people on here have been moaning about there being too many labels putting out too many releases without enough thought, innovation or creative vision; it seems to me that you could say the scene has got what it deserved.
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Fria Tantrumm
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Posted : Dec 12, 2008 22:09
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On 2008-12-12 21:58, leaetherstrip wrote:
Current distrubition is not working people are not buying cds nor paying for downloads and once faster internet speed are implemented in more countries and better quality becomes available for sure people wont buy music at all THIS IS THE REALITY accept it or not! And people dont need any excuses bottom line
Is easy to point fingers and say you are sinners, excuses is more difficult to actually come up with ideas to the problem I am an open minded person so GIVE me ideas, solutions!!!
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NO Solutions to this "I'm a victim" kind of talk. You buy it or don't. Only solution..No more releases...Artists will just make music to play at parties...it's already happening. No releases, no music online.... thus you'll be left with downloading the crap 
Why should we come up with solutions to a problem that SHOULDN'T EXIST. The only SOLUTION is a conscience and discipline..that's your parent's job.
Other Solution is non transferable media...releases on a format that cannot be copied. I know it's wishfull thinking but it will happen.
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