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Aluxe
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Posted : Dec 12, 2008 09:01
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The one thing I for sure don't buy AT ALL is the argument that if we do not pay the artists then the music we love is going to dissapear. Come on, you will ALWAYS find those who are willing to produce the music just entirely for the fun and the pure love and pleasure of it without making a cent of profit (even if it has to as a hobby). Or they will find other ways to make money with the music. But music is too good to dissappear just because people are not directly paying for it.
To make it short, yeah there are no “excuses" if you insist in defining those infinite copies of mp3 as the artists property. But still everyone does it to some extent, or most people do. Why? maybe on some level people don't buy all that "stealing music" story entirely. And it used to be the consumer paying for overpriced tracks that we didn't even want just because we had to buy the entire CD. Did the artists care or offer a refund for what their fans did not want and had to purchase? NO. Screwing the consumer in this tricky transaction was fine on both ends, those were just the rules of the game and if the consumer wanted music he had no choice. But now the tables have turned and the artist and labels are in the disadvantage. But if we are going to play the same game we were playing then the artists and labels should not complain. Right? Sorry, but lets not pretend we are all mother teresas here.
And yeah who cares about Metallica and such. bbb buutt… what about the strugguling artists? Yeah and what about the struguling consumer?
I grew up in Mexico and pirated music is everywhere and when I started seeing pirated psychedelic trance on the street being sold really cheap I thought FUCK YEAH!! Not because I wanted to get it for myself but because I wanted the psychedelic underground music to reach those who don't have a way to buy the CDs from psyshop or whatever. And really, any Artist that complains about the third world "stealing" their music has to be pretty full of it.
Honestly, this is how I really feel:
I wish the artists would give their music for free. I also wish that I did not have to work for money. That everyday I would go and work for the greater good for all, with the community in mind, for something groovy, for something that I feel from the bottom of my heart and that I could radiate with sincerity and purity to everyone else in a celebration without ever having to kill the purity for profit. Kill the economy, the dysfunctional system based on division, ego and all this dynamic between people that is driving the world to hell. Hey I am just trying to be realistic here, minus the sugar coated bs.
Hey you may say I am a dreamer… but it doesn’t take a genius to imagine a system better then what we have now. What little imagination you have if not. It’s just a vision, and if enough people have that vision the rest is meanigless because it becomes a collective reality in some way.
Ideally the psychedelic music of today would aim to deprogram the human family from this economic system and power struture based on materialism and greed. And open and free your mind and soul with enlighted music that you can feel down to the bone its good vibrations.
I am not saying artists should not get paid, all I am saying is I wish we didn’t have to go through this money shit. And that I BELIVE we do not have to go through this money shit as a world. We just have to all choose to want to make things different and jump in that spaceship out of where we are stuck.
You know those sand mandalas that the Buddist do where they spend days creating some masterpiece and then they just destroy it. Like are they crazy? They could frame those sand mandalas and sell them for a fortune. I guess there is a hidden teaching hidden in there. Something greater than money
I guess it’s the usual story, we are trapped and so pay up. The everest is to high.
Cross your fingers, in 2012 the whole shit goes down and nobody will have to work for money again. And no more guilt from free music, Hehe. You know with this economy crisis that everyone is talking about, on the one hand I am like yeah it sucks. But I can’t help having these feelings where I want the whole thing to crumble down. So that we are pushed to deal with this BS which is not working for most people. So we can see the face of the unfair dysfunctional system that we have ruling our precious planet. And finally do something about it. Peace
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CMeRTb FaWucTa/\/\
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Posted : Dec 12, 2008 09:11
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I download illegal mp3's all the time and I dont plan on stopping. If I could afford to, I would buy a lot more music, but I cannot afford to, so I only buy exceptional music once in a blue moon. If illegal mp3's did not exist I would copy them via whatever from my friends who can afford it. The only thing I have against mp3 is their poor quality.
No offense but if you use the internet regularly and have NEVER downloaded an mp3 illegally then you are a total tool. |
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Remy [POF]
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Posted : Dec 12, 2008 09:20
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On 2008-12-11 16:26, shahar wrote:
So, if you like it- support it, buy it!!! If you don't- you won't have more of it. Very simple.
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all this buy if you love it, if you ask me it's a sack fucking bullshit...
if i take an example our 1st album "Night Time Lullabies" when it was ripped the guys misspelled the title and wrote it "nighttime lullabies"; and i'v been getting tones of messages, and im talking almost 90% of all iv got like "i love your album nighttime lullabies"...
SO.. basically i think most people DON'T BUY even if they like/love the music...
personally if our 2nd album doesn't sell as much as we fixed it should, we are going to stop making psytrance. Some people say you can make money out of the gigs, music is just a promotion tool for the internet...
i'm sorry but putting 2years of work into something and making something you consider really special and unique then barely selling over 600/700copies... it's a joke a big fucking joke...
i'd like to add that i don't have anything against people that download music, but just as said above buy what you love.. or eventually you wont have more of it.. On 2011-03-08 23:13, moki wrote:
listening only to free music is like having the free possibility to satisfy yourself with thousends of different free sexual acts. |
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CMeRTb FaWucTa/\/\
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Posted : Dec 12, 2008 09:29
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i think the point most of you are missing is that if people wouldn't have access to mp3's, they'd be obtaining your music illegally one way or another anyhow.... and even if they weren't, they certainly wouldn't be buying your music instead.
For most people music isn't as nearly as important(and financially deserving) of an issue as it is to people on a music-related forum.
You can continue riding on your high horse about mp3's and their immorality, but the reality of the situation is not going to change: the vast majority of the world does not give a shit. |
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Remy [POF]
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Posted : Dec 12, 2008 09:36
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On 2008-12-12 09:29, CMeRTb FaWucTa// wrote:
You can continue riding on your high horse about mp3's and their immorality
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where did i say that mp3's are immoral?
i don't ride bro, i get rided..  On 2011-03-08 23:13, moki wrote:
listening only to free music is like having the free possibility to satisfy yourself with thousends of different free sexual acts. |
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V3NOM
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Posted : Dec 12, 2008 10:59
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Actually a research project a friend of mine did on the illegal mp3 trade and the reasons behind it for his Psychology phD found that in underground music scenes the loss of money is much higher for artists and labels, and that touring did not cover the time and costs of producing at all, as well as having to travel which many of those interviewed by him siad they wish they didn't have to do, they would actually prefer to let dj's play their music instead.
In the pop music scene, and even in the heavy metal scene, paying for music (including buy mp3s) was so much higher than in the underground electronic scenes he couldn't even compare the figures.
Now it may just be that the majority of people who listen to our music are either students or bummed out hippies who live on welfare benfits or part time jobs and cannto afford music, whereas most who listen to pop and even metal hold pretty steady jobs and have an income that lets them buy music.
I think it is sad because personally, I have spokent oa few well known artists and labels
who have become common in saying they are thinking of just selling up all their gear and going back to "normal" careers or into engineering and more commercial music because this scene is just becoming a waste f their time and money.
I can see their point of view, and to those whos ay it won't happen, I will laugh really fucking hard when in 3-4 years this scene has become so crappy due to selfish behaviours it will completely collapse.
I actually think most of the big artists in the scene should definitely piss off and do somehting that brings them more satisfaction than seeing their hard work and effort stolen by drugged out hippies.
Anyway my 2 cents and fuck yeah I love my soap box and my new high horse so jam it! 
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Tex77
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Posted : Dec 12, 2008 12:10
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On 2008-12-12 01:15, Tex77 wrote:
i really try to give my support to the artists and labels i like going to parties where they play
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Ever thought that the owners of most labels are not artists/djs and that they also dont handle their artists bookings which means that they dont make money from playing in parties or having their artists playing in parties which means the only way to show your support to them is buying their releases in their original form?
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Of course there isnt a perfect solution, or just "one" solution. But you can always think in alternatives
Like, for example,
the labels can redefine contracts and try some agreement with theyr artists. Everytime an artist is booked to play in a party, the label gets a small percentage (like 3%)
Fair enough
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Pustelga
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Posted : Dec 12, 2008 12:23
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On 2008-12-12 09:01, Aluxe wrote:
The one thing I for sure don't buy AT ALL is the argument that if we do not pay the artists then the music we love is going to dissapear. Come on, you will ALWAYS find those who are willing to produce the music just entirely for the fun and the pure love and pleasure of it without making a cent of profit (even if it has to as a hobby). Or they will find other ways to make money with the music. But music is too good to dissappear just because people are not directly paying for it.
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This is a very false statement. There are not many accomplished and talented artists out there who make music "part time" or as a hobby while juggling a "normal" job. People who keep the music as a hobby, usually don't make very good music. It's an age old adage...PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT....if you have a job, you don;t have that much time to "practice" hence you make mediocre music. This goes for any endeavour be it artistic , academic or physical. To excel at something you need to give it all your time.
for sure you will always find those who are "willing" to make the music..it will just be shit music. There won't be a scene...parties will suck.
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On 2008-12-12 09:01, Aluxe wrote:
Cross your fingers, in 2012 the whole shit goes down and nobody will have to work for money again. And no more guilt from free music, Hehe. You know with this economy crisis that everyone is talking about, on the one hand I am like yeah it sucks. But I can’t help having these feelings where I want the whole thing to crumble down. So that we are pushed to deal with this BS which is not working for most people. So we can see the face of the unfair dysfunctional system that we have ruling our precious planet. And finally do something about it. Peace
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This is more BS. Firstly, 2012 is highly debatable and secondly, even if money were not to exist, as it did in times long gone, there was a BARTER system. SO when you take something from someone, you gotto give them something they need in return, be it eggs, smokes, clothes...So what the hell do you give in return when you download music for free..NOTHING.
It's a very lame attitude, one that is self destructive...the internet you use ain;t for free, the computer you use probably wasn't, you don't have money you don;t get to eat fancy food, or wear fancy clothes...Just because something is available ILLEGaly for acquirement means that you guys have NO RESTRAINT, no discipline and frankly you'll all wanna be part of the scene but don;t give nothing back. So where is the justice in it??
I for one, never downloaded illegal mp3s EVER...ya maybe it's a "nerdy" attitude, but I'm not some douched out hippee who doesn't wanna get his ass off the couch to make a buck and buy stuff. I work, I make money, I use that money to buy things that enhance my life. Thats the way it should be. |
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Pustelga
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Posted : Dec 12, 2008 12:28
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Of course there isnt a perfect solution, or just "one" solution. But you can always think in alternatives
Like, for example,
the labels can redefine contracts and try some agreement with theyr artists. Everytime an artist is booked to play in a party, the label gets a small percentage (like 3%)
Fair enough
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That's not happening. Do you know how little psytrance artists get even to play parties?? I mean if teh label took a percentage it would be a joke, for the artist and the label. 3% of lets say 1000 Euros (most artists play for less than 1000 euros, very few mainstream ones play for more)...so 3 % is 30 euros man...do you see the joke in this?? |
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frambonas
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Posted : Dec 12, 2008 12:52
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On 2008-12-12 12:28, Pustelga wrote:
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Of course there isnt a perfect solution, or just "one" solution. But you can always think in alternatives
Like, for example,
the labels can redefine contracts and try some agreement with theyr artists. Everytime an artist is booked to play in a party, the label gets a small percentage (like 3%)
Fair enough
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That's not happening. Do you know how little psytrance artists get even to play parties?? I mean if teh label took a percentage it would be a joke, for the artist and the label. 3% of lets say 1000 Euros (most artists play for less than 1000 euros, very few mainstream ones play for more)...so 3 % is 30 euros man...do you see the joke in this??
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Labels usually get 30% per artist if they book the gigs for the artist.
for that the artist get's promotion , webspace & albums & bookings.
Becouse albums are more a investment then something to earn money with.
By the way, I think quality would be a lot better if more people buy then rip the music.
The artist would have some money from his album, this means he would be more motivated, and have more time to work on his music...
It's very good to say "I do it, becouse I love music" but in real life you spend so many time to work on a album. (after your real job) that it's sometimes not just a hobby anymore, and even stressfull to finish everything in time. |
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CMeRTb FaWucTa/\/\
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Posted : Dec 12, 2008 15:48
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On 2008-12-12 10:59, sergeantpepper666 wrote:
Actually a research project a friend of mine did on the illegal mp3 trade and the reasons behind it for his Psychology phD found that in underground music scenes the loss of money is much higher for artists and labels, and that touring did not cover the time and costs of producing at all, as well as having to travel which many of those interviewed by him siad they wish they didn't have to do, they would actually prefer to let dj's play their music instead.
In the pop music scene, and even in the heavy metal scene, paying for music (including buy mp3s) was so much higher than in the underground electronic scenes he couldn't even compare the figures.
Now it may just be that the majority of people who listen to our music are either students or bummed out hippies who live on welfare benfits or part time jobs and cannto afford music, whereas most who listen to pop and even metal hold pretty steady jobs and have an income that lets them buy music.
I think it is sad because personally, I have spokent oa few well known artists and labels
who have become common in saying they are thinking of just selling up all their gear and going back to "normal" careers or into engineering and more commercial music because this scene is just becoming a waste f their time and money.
I can see their point of view, and to those whos ay it won't happen, I will laugh really fucking hard when in 3-4 years this scene has become so crappy due to selfish behaviours it will completely collapse.
I actually think most of the big artists in the scene should definitely piss off and do somehting that brings them more satisfaction than seeing their hard work and effort stolen by drugged out hippies.
Anyway my 2 cents and fuck yeah I love my soap box and my new high horse so jam it!
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that means labels and artists better find new ways to make money!
Do not expect the "scene" to start buying music regardless how long of a post your going to write on how bad you think it is.
Your friend was writing on MP3 use for his PHD in psychology? Sounds like total bullshit to me, I think you just made this shit up. |
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V3NOM
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Posted : Dec 12, 2008 16:03
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^  you are just to funny and cute mate, don't bust a blood vessel over a forum topic.
I hate you, you hate me, we are all so hap hap happy! |
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CMeRTb FaWucTa/\/\
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Posted : Dec 12, 2008 16:14
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^ considering every other post is an essay by you, that is totally spot-on mate |
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Kane
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Posted : Dec 12, 2008 16:43
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On 2008-12-12 09:20, Remy [POF] wrote:
personally if our 2nd album doesn't sell as much as we fixed it should, we are going to stop making psytrance. Some people say you can make money out of the gigs, music is just a promotion tool for the internet...
i'm sorry but putting 2years of work into something and making something you consider really special and unique then barely selling over 600/700copies... it's a joke a big fucking joke...
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If that's how you really feel, you might as well quit now. You can't expect to make money from releases..No one gets into psytrance production thinking you can. If money is that important to you or you want making music to be a supplemental income, you need to play live. The time you put into writing tracks should be out of love for the music and the need to put something out there that you created. Even if 90% of the people who have heard your album downloaded it illegally, it doesn't mean they didn't genuinely enjoy listening to your music. Be glad that they heard it and went out of their way to tell you that they liked it.
I'm just as disappointed with the extent of piracy in this genre as anyone else, but how can you say that someone should buy your album if they don't love it? Everyone should have to blindly pick out albums to buy because of a description and a short, lofi preview?
Make music for yourself, and because you have to..not for other people or for other people's money.
You believe in the users?
Yeah, sure. If I don't have a user, then who wrote me? |
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Remy [POF]
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Posted : Dec 12, 2008 17:13
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Dude you got me all wrong, you think im fucking crazy or what? if i would want to make money i would have been a porn actor a long time ago
What i basically meant is that i think it's fucking unrespectful to send messages to artists and say that their music changed your life and that you love it, blablabalabla.... when you didn't even buy it.... I understand that in some countries they can't cause the economy is shit... and im not talking about those...
I don't know about you, but when i like someone's music i buy it... or get a my hands on a promo somehow
On 2011-03-08 23:13, moki wrote:
listening only to free music is like having the free possibility to satisfy yourself with thousends of different free sexual acts. |
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