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What is your excuse for downloading iillegal mp3?
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Aluxe
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Posted : Jan 18, 2009 14:01
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The greatest reward any real artist will get is their own art and to be able to share it with the world.
And I am not saying there is anything wrong with making money with your art. But to be able to express yourself and to be able to share this expression with the world is in itself the greatest satisfaction you can get from your art. If you fail to feel this, you might as well find another occupation where you can be more focused on just the money.
And you know the fact that people want to download your tracks, yeah: even if its without paying should be in the very least a sincere compliment to your work. Yeah maybe you need the money and not getting paid for your music wont work for you. That is acceptable. But you have to be a bit full of yourself to not appreciate the fact that you have fans who like your work, and that while they may not be supporting you with money, by simply listening to your tracks they are supporting you with their energy. Can’t see this?
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| still what i been reading here from some ppl, makes me wanna puke and honestly makes me wish from heart that u idiots never listen to my music and when u do u hopefully get the worst trip of ur pathetic lives. |
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Wow, its amazing the mindset that some artists have. And honestly I can’t imagine why I would ever want to listen to your music when you have this energy and attitude. Sorry to say that, but your comments are hard to believe, its nothing I ever associated with the real psychedelic scene. You might want to consider your priorities there mate? Like why you got involved in this scene in the first place.
I can tell you that at least for me, it was love for art, for music, for nature and the spirit of freedom I saw in the scene, because I felt something truthful and the music just took me like in a spritual way. It was real, and these tunes were talking to the cosmos. I was fortunate to experience this in the Goa days. And we started making the first psychedelic parties in Mexico and you know what, we always lost quite a bit of money. Many times people didn’t even pay to come in, or we made it by donation even though it was to our financial expense. But that was just money, you know, only money. Because the sastifaction of making those parties where we put our whole soul in it was incomparable to any money we could have ever made or lost. Those were the good old days, later things got more comercial and obviously psychedelic road kind of got lost.
Obviously this whole issue can be quite controversial and pushes peoples buttons. And I realize that for artists it can get quite hard when they are not making enough money, like what Mubali was saying. I totally feel what he is saying and I can’t argue with what he is saying.
But to think that it is possible for the whole world to have access to all the music (and all information) they want for free is a pretty mind blowing idea. It seems this would speed up the flow of ideas and creativity because everyone can start feeding freely from everything that everyone is creating in the world without any limits imposed by money. Because if it’s controlled so that only those who can pay can have access to the intelectual goods then you are possibly closing a huge door that can potentially push humanity into a new era that’s better for everyone, and this has to seriously be considered I think, even if it would affect the artists innitially. Sure the artists should seek rewards but should they seek the rewards in a way that restricts the spread of free music and free information for the whole planet when technology is making it possible? I mean yeah I see the artists perspective but is the balance correct when you only see the artists perspective and not the potential benefit that the whole world can have if the flow of intelectual information is freed from the claws of comercialism? I mean we are talking about opening up the channels so that everyone in the world can connect and share information freely without it being determined so much by money. So that it doesn’t matter if you are poor or rich, so it doesn’t matter if you are from a tribe in the jungle connecting from the village computer or a hippy at his laptop checking out the good tunes. So that, yeah, everyone and I mean everyone can have instant access to all the music, the software, and basically all the ideas and intelectual wealth available in the world. That is fucking BIG, and maybe bigger than whatever benefits the current model of the music industry has.
And the reality is that if you restrict information by charging for it then only a tiny portion of the world will be able to access all that music and intelectual wealth in digital form which should be maybe everyones right because unlike phisical goods it can be spread at no cost. And wouldn’t artists benefit from this as well? That means they do not have to pay for all the intelectuall property they pay for, like music from other atists for inspiration, software, books, etc, etc. I mean it will save resources, stimulate the flow and exchange of ideas, and basically provide more equality for everyone at least in the intelectual realm. I mean come on, only those that can afford to buy mp3 should be able to enjoy psychedelic trance? Most people in the world can not afford food or clothing, so how are they going to afford the music if you want to charge for it? So good music becomes a comodity for the privileged? Yeah just like everything else right?
But music and intelectual property are not like physical things. If an artist shares an mp3 with somebody he does not loose his mp3, the only thing lost is maybe the potential to make money from the person to whom he gave the mp3, but as he gave away his mp3 he gets to keep his original mp3. So it’s not like a diamond. You can not multiply a dimond so that the whole world can have a dimonds. And if you could, why not let the whole world have a dimond? You would be creating artificial scarcity by depriving everyone from having a dimond if you could in truth just multiply the dimond at no cost.
Lets put it another way: Imagine I could infinitely reproduce a loaf of bread I bought at a bakery so I could feed the whole world. Now would you say I was stealing from the bakery? And would it make sense to deprive the whole world of the posibility to be fed just so that the bakery doesn’t loose the chance to make money from the few that were going to buy bread from them?
So you create artificial scarcity because you are controling the flow of intelectual information when the digital world allows everyone to share all the intelectual information available at no cost. You can multiply an mp3 to infinity so that everyone can enjoy it. So then why put all this wealth in a cage so that only a few can enjoy it?
Really am I so wrong in asking this questions and thinking that it just might be better if the intelectual information flowed free without restrictions?
And like I said maybe it would be a process where artists would have to learn to adapt to a new model for the music industry, and maybe society would find new ways to finance artists so that music continues to flow. For example think of all the scientists that spend years doing research and then just publish their findings in papers and reports so the knowledge is available for everyone freely. How come they can do it? Are some of these scientists like monks? These scientists are sometimes funded by universities or other non profit organizations, given a salary or grant for a specific project. Maybe society could do the same for musicians if the music industry fails with its current model.
But regardless of what we want it seems that the world is moving towards this free flow of information where intelectual property is not so much respected. And maybe in the end intelectual property should not have ownership and should belong to all. Its just an idea, again don’t shoot me for proposing this.
And what you are going to view all the people in the world that download copyrighted information as theifs and criminals? I mean just take China where 85% of the music sold there is pirated. How many millions or even billions of people involved are we talking about there? And you are going to point your condeming finger and call all these people criminals and theifs? kind of stupid don’t you think? And now throw in India, Mexico, Brazil, Russia, and the rest of the world and how many people do you have that are downloading pirated music? And yet you proceed to call all these people theifs? I mean anybody that actually views all these billions of people in the world as criminals has to be seriously retarded. No offense, but you know what I mean? You are talking about the half the world here. It’s just demented to get stuck in that narrow minded view and pretend your are actually right. It’s like when they call the immigrants that cross the border of the US from Mexico criminals because they did not respect the US laws. Some people insist these are all CRIMINALS!!! And they are very violent and aggressive about it, they KNOW what is right and what is WRONG!!! But the reality is that things are a bit more complex and go way beyond such simplistic narrow views of the world and its people.
So what is going to happen? Either they are going to find a way to put a lock to the mp3s so they are not pirated or if that turns out impossible maybe the world is just going to have to accept this is not possible and more and more people are going to download pirated music until it’s accepted as the new way in the world. And if that is the case, the bitching about it will get old and those who thought were so right about condemning everyone who downloads pirated music and the artists bitching are going to have to face the fact that the world is moving along to a new era and they are not moving along with it. But I guess we will see.
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Aluxe
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Posted : Jan 18, 2009 14:07
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"you must have studies grade 3 psych! Big terms!"
"You're only 15 and have no means of buying anything without your mommies credit card and she said no to more Worlf of Warcraft credit and cd's"
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Trust me, you are projecting yourself.
My advice is to stick to the thread, to the subject and save the insults or at least wrap an argument relevant to the thread around it. And if you really want to debate then be prepared for people to disagree with you, specially in a subject as controversial as file sharing. |
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Aluxe
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Posted : Jan 18, 2009 14:25
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ur are so fucking dumb for bringen this xxx year old story u also stole from somebody up here...
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I found that story on the web and I was not trying to make it seem like I wrote it though I don't know who did. I thought it was kind of interesting and relevant to the thread, but no need to insult me.
btw I KNOW that its lots of work to make music, I have been in the studio myself. But you have a pretty blind view about it, I mean if you are wishing such nasty shit to people listening to your music simply because they don't pay. (I mean WTF) |
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V3NOM
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Posted : Jan 18, 2009 14:34
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 dude, I live away for my girl in a shit boring town for work and sometimes I post stuff to get a bit of a rise out of people coz it is more fun that yanking off endlessly
The only thing projecting here is you pushing your views the way I push mine.
The way you are reacting is no better than me, it's just that because you have decided your views are the best, that you say I "project" etc. etc. and it is really boring.
By the way, calling someone retared is really fucking nasty mate, I'm pretty sure my nepher who has a disability would be offened by you.
BOOOOOM SHANKUR ALUXE-SAN DES!
I read you silly essay with the silly stories and bullcrap, dude, get over yourself, noone really gives a shit about the excuses you are making, just as most don;t give a shit what I'm saying here. Get over it and enjoy a debate a bit
MEEP MEEP OVER AND OUT SGT ALUXE MA'AM! 
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The Chilling Spirit
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Posted : Jan 18, 2009 16:16
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That is a beaufitul vision, Aluxe.
I think it would be best for everyone if we simply ignored sergeantpepper666's silly trolling.
http://enjoys.it |
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g/\8!
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Posted : Jan 18, 2009 18:03
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so,and what is the excuse for djs that work in stores,label owners,and music producers to open free(and illegal) music blogs and have massive mp3 collection shared for soulseek? |
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mez
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Posted : Jan 18, 2009 21:41
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Aluxe, that's real homie!
evolution baby, The Techno Info revolution has only just begun.
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mubali
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Posted : Jan 20, 2009 00:02
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The ideal would totally cool. I think the issue from the artist side is an issue of respect. I don't mind if you can't afford to buy my music, you're more than welcome to listen to it any way you can get in touch with it. If you can afford to some see me play, that would be awesome! I just find it interesting to see people who can afford to party on a regular basis, that will come to the party and spend the amount of money that they could buy 10 cds with on illicit substances, saying that they can't afford to buy cds. I guess it's an issue of personal priorities. Sure art would be great if it were free, and if I had 48 hrs in a day, I would give all my stuff away for free. The only thing that I ask is a conscious understanding to the time and effort it takes to create this stuff for everyone and sometimes to do it to the degree that you would need to takes all of your time and energy.
This year I am actually taking a bit of time away to work and save money to be in a stable living situation. I'm still hoping to be able to create some good music too while I'm working, but I know it's hard. I worked 60hrs a week the entire time I've been exploring psychedelic trance music up until getting my first chance to tour, and the knowledge I've gained because of having the time to learn from others has completely outweighed what I learned while doing it part-time.
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Jan 20, 2009 06:48
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my excuse is only the cash.I dl all interesting stuff but I am not a good situated person when it comes to finanicial component of my life,,tha last years I had to pay almost all I have back to tha state for loving too much our banned nature.And thats not all.Nevertheless I know I sp end and spent more than 90% of all my money for music and musicians.Often was hungry but was glad to pay my contribution to support.I have a few hundreds vinyls and maybe hundred original cds.And besides it thousands of mp3s which are unpaid.I try and will give all artist I very respect to give them the small amount back,I simply cannot at once but I dont forget,and often I can at once  And believe me Id feel guilty and bad if I had that possibility to pay each one back but would not do it.I wasnt partying for years now.This year only after fuckparade my own performance in another genre after it I visited a small killer sweet berlin psycedelic hardcore trance party ..that was it apart from a few mushroom for free partys in my district.
Im very impressed by opinion above me.I wish such artists keep as they are and continue to grow.Cheers to you all.We all a one in the end. |
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krinklyfig
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Posted : Jan 20, 2009 08:22
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Well, I used to download a lot, but sometimes within a psychedelic setting you have experiences which sort of turn your ideas around. Anyway, it's a little easier now having steady employment again, but I buy pretty much everything, except which is offered for free, like on ektoplazm, and even there I try to support the music I like. It's about being able to live with myself, knowing I support these artists for putting their music out there. Other people can do whatever they want, but for me it came down to feeling like I can contribute something back rather than feeling like I'm taking all the time. And where I live now there are almost never any trance parties, so buying it keeps me connected, too. |
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Jedi_knight
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Posted : Jan 20, 2009 15:08
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1."The psytrance scene is kinda small and needs YOUR SUPPORT. If you LOVE this music (like we do), please BUY the music (like we do)! Artists work long & hard on their music. Please be honest and support the artists & labels to make more great music in the future too. Every sold CD counts! Our releases are meant for promotion only - to give you a sample of the retail product. NEVER FORGET - THiS iS NOT A COPY, iT'S JUST MP3! Furthermore we wanna say thanks to all the people who made this whole thing happen, in the past, present and future. And finally, we want to send greetings to all our fellow friends within the scene! You know who you are! MUSiC WORTH LiSTENiNG iS MUSiC WORTH BUYiNG!!"
groov[e]mission 2ooo - infinity!
2."We would like to take the opportunity to point out that psytrance needs YOUR SUPPORT. We only want to give you a preview in psytrance, ambient and electronic music and in our opinion this is absolutely NO alternative to buying.MP3 isnt the same as holding a bought record in your hands ! You need to feel the bass to go with the flow ... and that's what mp3 just can't give you. So better get it in high quality, while it's still available and not soldout. Please support the artist and especially smaller labels that make it possible to enjoy the music you seem to love that much! Our releases are for scene internal use so KEEP THEM OFF P2P AND OTHER PUBLIC PLACES!! So much for now meet ya @ the next party ... somewhere. "
MYCEL - sending lamers to /dev/null since 2003
That's their excuse... for ripping...and my excuse...for downloading...
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~d2~
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Posted : Feb 1, 2009 08:23
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The general public have accepted the quality, or lack of it, of mp3. No point in trying to push CD's USP at this stage of the game....and of course there's FLAC. |
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Kane
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Posted : Feb 2, 2009 06:10
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I'll download your tracks if I feel like it. Send me a PM and I'll give you any of mine.
You believe in the users?
Yeah, sure. If I don't have a user, then who wrote me? |
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moki
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Posted : Feb 5, 2009 03:13
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wow, great vision indeed...i am speachless....beautiful...
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