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Aluxe
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Posted : Jan 17, 2009 08:24
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Oh my god, its ILLEGAL according to international law. The horror!!! If people only knew about the injustice, the pain and sadness they create when they download illegally because they break those international laws that were created for the love of humanity by the ruling society to save the world.
Deep thoughts.
Yeah if only people knew that they are destroying themselves and the world by downloading freely. Don’t you guys get it??? You are STEALING!!! Yup, it’s just like pointing a gun at someone and taking his money or even I think as bad as killing babies. It’s the SAME THING. But go ahead, if you must, destroy the world and destroy yourself!!!
The good thing is that we have the international laws to protect us from those who dare question the system. Because everyone knows that the international laws, and federal reserve and the banks and the corporations that created them are here to protect the people. Right? only a total FOOL would question this. They were made with the best interest in mind so we should just take things for granted and keep on marching because we are going in the right direction. Those leading the way, setting the law and putting the price tags have the right idea for humanity. Its so obvious. Its a system you can really believe in from deep in your heart where no matter who you are we are all equally protected and cared for. I think we can go back to sleep now.
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It's no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.
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V3NOM
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Posted : Jan 17, 2009 10:03
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 oh gee look at 12 year old kid trying to be rebel punk and say no to the law! Wow!
Oh hang on! I get it! You're only 15 and have no means of buying anything without your mommies credit card and she said no to more Worlf of Warcraft credit and cd's so now your having a tanty on here as well! grow up you dumb ass!
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Aluxe
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Posted : Jan 17, 2009 10:38
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Once upon a time, a long time ago, there was a very rich man who liked to whistle. He was actually very good at it, and would make up elaborate tunes that he would whistle as he strolled through town with his bodyguards. One day, he heard a shopkeeper whistling, and realized the song was one of his, the rich man's, tunes.
This outraged the rich man. His creations belonged to him and only him, he decided. If someone else wanted to whistle them, they would have to pay him a fee. When confronted with this demand, the shopkeeper merely laughed and kept on whistling. And so the rich man ordered his bodyguards to beat the shopkeeper, smashing his face until his lips were so bruised and torn that whistling was impossible.
As it turned out, this shopkeeper was not the only person in town who liked whistling tunes that the rich man had composed. Whenever the rich man heard other people engaging in such unauthorized whistling, he would send his bodyguards after them. But of course there were too many people in this town for such a strategy to be widely effective. The offensive whistling continued more or less unabated.
But being a clever fellow, the rich man realized there were better ways to go about enforcing his will. He went to the town council and suggested that tunes created by any individual should be legally protected. If someone was caught whistling someone else's tune, the town constable and his deputies should force that person to pay the tune's originator a fee.
When the town council wondered, quite reasonably, why they should spend public time, money, and manpower on such a trivial matter, the rich man had a very reasonable answer. He invited the entire town council to a lavish banquet at his mansion, plied them with fine foods and rare wines, and then explained his thoughts:
Didn't they like listening to whistled tunes? Didn't they want to encourage the creation of as many tunes as possible? Further, didn't they want town trade to prosper from the legal sales of a new items, such as whistled tunes?
Well, of course the town council wanted all of these things. And the rich man's arguments seemed all the more reasonable for having been presented after a splendid meal and excellent drink. The council members immediately held an impromptu meeting and voted in a new law exactly as the rich man had proposed.
And while the rich man would've preferred that everyone lived happily ever after at this point (and always told the story that way), this was not the case. Every time someone was beaten and fined by the constable's deputies for whistling an unauthorized tune, town citizens began to dislike both whistling and the rich man just a bit more. Everyone became very aware of what they were whistling and who was listening to them, and so whistling -- all whistling, authorized and unauthorized -- occurred more rarely, only quietly, and usually in private.
When the rich man noticed the relative lack of whistling in the town's streets, he began to suspect something dishonest. He sent his bodyguards out in disguise to spy on citizens, and discovered the covert unauthorized whistling, both of his tunes and possibly other people's tunes. Clearly this was a serious problem, and so he persuaded the town council to work even harder to enforce the laws that they had created. New deputies were hired and sent out in disguise to punish unauthorized whistling.
Eventually, townspeople stopped whistling altogether. Instead, they started to hum tunes. The rich man heard this newfangled music-making and was outraged.
And the whole story happened again, and again, and again.
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grow up you dumb ass!
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And so by name calling you prove exactly what? let me guess..
Think about it. you were doing that with Mez as well. You can't handle somebody disagreeing with you? At least drop the name calling, it doesn't help your case and you are really just projecting yourself. |
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V3NOM
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Posted : Jan 17, 2009 12:10
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No. I just hate thieves who steal things and try to justify with philosophical bullshit.
Boom!
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V3NOM
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Posted : Jan 17, 2009 12:14
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Projecting myself? oh my god! you must have studies grade 3 psych! Big terms! Dude, it's an internet forum, it's not real, nor are most of the personas on here. get a grip. the internet is an escape from the daily crap we put up with. I just wanted a good debate, and abitof name calling is fun. I mean seriously, if you think I"m "projecting" myself (did you learn that if 3rd grad psych ? ) then you need to realise abit more about what is real on a web and what is some dude having a laugh at your expense.
Boom x 2 mutha!
cheer up charlie, your thieving ways will catch up with you eventually, what goes around comes around.
BBBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMM SHANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNKUR HIPP-E'S!
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The Chilling Spirit
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Posted : Jan 17, 2009 12:32
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You are clearly incompetent on this subject.
Stealing is taking physical goods. What you are ranting about is copying.
There are no worldwide international copyright laws (Sweden would be an example you perhaps heard about).
You say Aluxe has too much music. So let's see:
A. If he bought 100 CDs and no copies, I guess you "would be fine" with that.
B. If he bought 100 CDs and has 1000 copies, I guess you would say that is too much.
But what is the difference for the artists? In A, he bought 50 CDs and in B he did the same. Making the copies did not involve any act of stealing (neither took he money nor did he take CDs).
But how can these cases influence others or even promote artists? With 100CDs he can play those again and again, he can show them to friends, he can play them as a DJ. That's 100 possible recommendations.
With additional 1000 copied albums, his catalogue is much broader. He might not listen to 200 of them ever, but hey, he would not have bought them anyways. But with the rest he might influence others to check out the music/artist, maybe even buy a record.
When you are "projecting" ages to people, well, grow up. "Music piracy" is a reality, it will not go away because you insult people. And as I said earlier, music has always been copied and it will always be.
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V3NOM
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Posted : Jan 17, 2009 12:48
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Matey, my girl works in copyrighting as a lawyer, no need to tell me about how it works 
If it is not illegal how come dj's here are getting served court orders during their sets at gigs for using pirated material?
And mate, my point is that just because it is reality doesn't make it ok, it's just another shitty excuse.
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Ankur
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Posted : Jan 17, 2009 13:35
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On 2009-01-17 10:38, Aluxe wrote:
Once upon a time, a long time ago, there was a very rich man who liked to whistle. He was actually very good at it, and would make up elaborate tunes that he would whistle as he strolled through town with his bodyguards. One day, he heard a shopkeeper whistling, and realized the song was one of his, the rich man's, tunes.
This outraged the rich man. His creations belonged to him and only him, he decided. If someone else wanted to whistle them, they would have to pay him a fee. When confronted with this demand, the shopkeeper merely laughed and kept on whistling. And so the rich man ordered his bodyguards to beat the shopkeeper, smashing his face until his lips were so bruised and torn that whistling was impossible.
As it turned out, this shopkeeper was not the only person in town who liked whistling tunes that the rich man had composed. Whenever the rich man heard other people engaging in such unauthorized whistling, he would send his bodyguards after them. But of course there were too many people in this town for such a strategy to be widely effective. The offensive whistling continued more or less unabated.
But being a clever fellow, the rich man realized there were better ways to go about enforcing his will. He went to the town council and suggested that tunes created by any individual should be legally protected. If someone was caught whistling someone else's tune, the town constable and his deputies should force that person to pay the tune's originator a fee.
When the town council wondered, quite reasonably, why they should spend public time, money, and manpower on such a trivial matter, the rich man had a very reasonable answer. He invited the entire town council to a lavish banquet at his mansion, plied them with fine foods and rare wines, and then explained his thoughts:
Didn't they like listening to whistled tunes? Didn't they want to encourage the creation of as many tunes as possible? Further, didn't they want town trade to prosper from the legal sales of a new items, such as whistled tunes?
Well, of course the town council wanted all of these things. And the rich man's arguments seemed all the more reasonable for having been presented after a splendid meal and excellent drink. The council members immediately held an impromptu meeting and voted in a new law exactly as the rich man had proposed.
And while the rich man would've preferred that everyone lived happily ever after at this point (and always told the story that way), this was not the case. Every time someone was beaten and fined by the constable's deputies for whistling an unauthorized tune, town citizens began to dislike both whistling and the rich man just a bit more. Everyone became very aware of what they were whistling and who was listening to them, and so whistling -- all whistling, authorized and unauthorized -- occurred more rarely, only quietly, and usually in private.
When the rich man noticed the relative lack of whistling in the town's streets, he began to suspect something dishonest. He sent his bodyguards out in disguise to spy on citizens, and discovered the covert unauthorized whistling, both of his tunes and possibly other people's tunes. Clearly this was a serious problem, and so he persuaded the town council to work even harder to enforce the laws that they had created. New deputies were hired and sent out in disguise to punish unauthorized whistling.
Eventually, townspeople stopped whistling altogether. Instead, they started to hum tunes. The rich man heard this newfangled music-making and was outraged.
And the whole story happened again, and again, and again.
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grow up you dumb ass!
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And so by name calling you prove exactly what? let me guess..
Think about it. you were doing that with Mez as well. You can't handle somebody disagreeing with you? At least drop the name calling, it doesn't help your case and you are really just projecting yourself.
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ur are so fucking dumb for bringen this xxx year old story u also stole from somebody up here...
OR ARE U ABEL TO WHISTLE AN ARRANGEMENT WITH LETS SAY 100 CHANNELS AND KEEP A DANCEFLOOR WITH 1000 PPL ENTERTAINED with that?
beside the "artistic" side of it, making psychedelic music is fucking lots of work, is hours over hours and days over days of detail work, for me not to mush of a difference to a technical or bureau job from the effort in practical the work..
most of u also dont go to a carpenter and just take a table with u without paying, arnt u?
i realy tried not to write something in this threat since i found it pretty odd ppl still complaining about not selling cds etc.
who ever havent realized yet that there is no making money in selling cds, is also pretty dumb for me.
its a fact how it is and it dosent look like it will change soon.
but is also a fact that stealing music is wrong.
and it is realy disgusting me what weird excuses some ppl are finding here to justify their wrong behavior.
its not huge companies u are stealing from here, its the artists u like, the ppl u spend time with on the dancefloors... parts of ur community, mostly more broke then ur self.
but sure iam not complaining about not selling cds, i see that as a fact since quite a time and as every other still existing labels u find ur way around it.
anyway, would be nice not too pay the cds from my own pocket and also it would be nice to atleast give the artists a few bucks.
still what i been reading here from some ppl, makes me wanna puke and honestly makes me wish from heart that u idiots never listen to my music and when u do u hopefully get the worst trip of ur pathetic lives.
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V3NOM
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Posted : Jan 17, 2009 13:45
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And I"ll bet now that these same people come back and insult you for being honest about what you think!
Sad sad world
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The Chilling Spirit
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Posted : Jan 17, 2009 15:36
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[quote=Ankur]beside the "artistic" side of it, making psychedelic music is fucking lots of work, is hours over hours and days over days of detail work, for me not to mush of a difference to a technical or bureau job from the effort in practical the work..
most of u also dont go to a carpenter and just take a table with u without paying, arnt u?[/quote]And yet many people are giving away their music for free.
You can whine as much as you want, you will not feel better, you will not change anyone's behaviour and you will not get any sales through it. Give people a reason to buy, embrace your customers and start acting if you don't have the money to live (maybe try a different labour).
I definitely won't listen to your music. I would not even bother downloading it to see if I might like it. Your attitude is so wrong, I would not want to support you in any way.
No idea about other countries, but for example in Switzerland it is (maybe was) allowed to share copies with close friends and family members. Is that wrong too? Maybe you should be forced to listen to music only with headphones on, so no-one unauthorised could listen to it!
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Zu-I
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Posted : Jan 17, 2009 16:14
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Not to talk about all computer software and games  Who doesnt copy software ? Many (most?) artists also just get a cracked version of their favourite music program.. Same with grafix - Download photoshop and off u go....
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This is true, mainly because I've seen many psy artists who use cracked software complaining about the illigal music,which makes absolutly no sense.
My opnion is that the mp3 can be used at home probably. Its not so bad. But if you are a DJ and preomote yourself and the artist as well with your set, definitly should have originals or wav files given from the artists.
I mean even with movies it says "home use only". So when you have to make a public performance you have to respect some rules I guess.
Not to mention the quality, which is a problem too Its not the quality certain artists have...just because your burned mp3 CD sucks!!
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 17, 2009 16:53
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yeah this is just silly
its a fucked up situation...
Do the best of it... its not impossible to sell Cds its not impossible to get gigs...
so what so bad with people listening to your music, they dont steal, they download a audiofile and listen to it... most of the downloaders wont burn your mp3s to album and go around selling it.. or playing it at a party and get money for it..
so they dont make money out of downloading your music, they just enjoy it!! or cry to it... but i guess they enjoy that too
whats wrong with this..
really whats soo wrong with it...
yeah yeah, you dont go around stealing a $1200 Tv
bla bla... well some people do, stealing is what people do best.. we fucking stole this world!
get a grip, if you want to whine and bitch about how hard you work, stop working and get another job..
really if you have great talent and some luck and cleverness you wont have a problem with getting at least payed a little for your music...
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Braindrop
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Posted : Jan 17, 2009 17:01
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In a way... i wldnt have much problems if people download my music. Just another note... if u do like it.... at least see that you could try to buy it.... if not that.... something else in the future .... coz something is better than nothing
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Ankur
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Posted : Jan 17, 2009 19:19
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[quote=Ankur]beside the "artistic" side of it, making psychedelic music is fucking lots of work, is hours over hours and days over days of detail work, for me not to mush of a difference to a technical or bureau job from the effort in practical the work..
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And yet many people are giving away their music for free.
You can whine as much as you want, you will not feel better, you will not change anyone's behaviour and you will not get any sales through it. Give people a reason to buy, embrace your customers and start acting if you don't have the money to live (maybe try a different labour).
I definitely won't listen to your music. I would not even bother downloading it to see if I might like it. Your attitude is so wrong, I would not want to support you in any way.
No idea about other countries, but for example in Switzerland it is (maybe was) allowed to share copies with close friends and family members. Is that wrong too? Maybe you should be forced to listen to music only with headphones on, so no-one unauthorised could listen to it!
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u should read my hole post man.
as i said there before iam not complaining that the situation is like it is, its stupid to complain about that.
evry label has to find their way of existing as we did.
what iam complaining about is the attitude of some ppl here, there is no respect for the work in it.
long as u at least spend some money for the stuff u are also downloading then u have my blessing to do so as mush as u want.
i also wont buy every stupid vst just to try it out once in a while.
the downloading has also good sides, mush more ppl get to listen to the music its spreads mush wider and faster then it used to do and be course of that of course the artists get also more bookings.
but everybody should find their way to support the music they like.
and if u like music that gets released on cds, then u should realy buy one once in a while so the medium can keep existing.
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phasetech
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Posted : Jan 17, 2009 20:26
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well you can watch this problem from 2 sides.. if an uknown artist releases a track on cd, in his case illegal downloads of his release are good for him because in that was a lot more people will hear music (comparing to those who actually bought cd)... if people download music of some already known and popular artist, thats good for the artist too, cause in that way more and more people will hear, and more people will come at party where that artist is playing.. so, in terms of promotion, illegal internet mp3 downloads are best thing that happened to some artists...
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