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What is your excuse for downloading iillegal mp3?
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V3NOM
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Posted : Dec 11, 2008 13:31:26
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I never have done this in my life, I can swear on my soul, and I have always wanted to ask people why they think they have the right to illegally obtain someone elses hard efforts and work for their own pleasure?
I mean, my thought is, if you can't afford then bad like you don't get it, so can someone who does it or "knows" a friend who does it eplain to me the lies you tell yourself to take away the guilt?
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NextWorld
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Posted : Dec 11, 2008 15:02
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My huge CD Collection. |
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mk47
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Posted : Dec 11, 2008 15:14
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I feel absolutely no guilt about downloading free music , its free , its there , i like it .. and i can have it click of a button if i want it .. why not ? I buy a cd every now n then , but even so .. why not .. free software , free movies , free music .. free love baby , thats the psy way
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sure_smoke_alot
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Posted : Dec 11, 2008 15:44
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maybe my signature is an ans. 
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almost_human KROX ( Phantasm Rec .)
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Posted : Dec 11, 2008 16:20
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On 2008-12-11 15:14, mk47 wrote:
I feel absolutely no guilt about downloading free music , its free , its there , i like it .. and i can have it click of a button if i want it .. why not ? I buy a cd every now n then , but even so .. why not .. free software , free movies , free music .. free love baby , thats the psy way
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+1 You Rock Man 
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lara
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Posted : Dec 11, 2008 16:21
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On 2008-12-11 15:14, mk47 wrote:
I feel absolutely no guilt about downloading free music , its free |
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I think that its about "Illegal" music download not free music 
Anyway, I always take some release that I'm interesting, take listen and If its ok for my taste I buy it. Preview samples never told me enough.
Original releases are original releases. No matter if its on CD, Vinyl, Digital, Data... And nothing can replace that.
This is my opinion.
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shahar
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Posted : Dec 11, 2008 16:26
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Here's something I think is relevant that I wrote originally upon request for Revolve magazine in the UK about a year ago.
Should we buy our music?
A question everyone with a computer faces these days is should I buy my music or should I just download it for free. Every musical piece that exists these days (and even some that don't) is available for download for free through myriad of ways. So should we buy our music? As someone who's been buying music and getting it in other ways for a long time, and as someone who has a label and is involved very much in our small alternative musical scene I want to offer some insights.
Let's go back in time… quite a long way back… when I started to get into music, I used to record music on cassettes - we didn't have much money, so we used to go 3-4 friends to a record store, each would buy one record, and then we would go back home and each would record the others' records to a tape. Downloading/sharing is the same, basically, isn't it? Both are illegal copying. Well, the scale is different. For one person who buys a CD, you have millions who share it with him. This does put us in danger of making music making something you can't live from, and that is especially true if you're not an artist that performs a lot (if you perform a lot, you might be able to live from shows).
The way I see it, this is a very simple thing. You want good music from artists and labels, you gotta make it possible for them to make it and live from it, especially when you're talking of underground music that doesn't have a big market, that doesn't have a commercial appeal. Draw your line, as long as you do all you can to support the music you love, it's OK. Once you cross that line and start getting something you really like for free, when you can afford to buy it, you choke the music, and then you won't have good music- very simple.
We have to get it into our minds, that if we don't give back to the music we like- it will deteriorate, and finally disappear. The good artists that devote themselves to their art, that work professionally, that walk new paths, will quit or go where the money is (commercial music). The good labels that present an interesting musical vision, invest in their artists and develop them, will dwindle and die. This is already happening and for quite a while. Let's not kid ourselves, good original, mature, deep, professionally made music is very hard to come by in our scene.
Music, as all forms of art, was never in history a profitable business. Musicians and music institutes were always supported, by kings, by aristocrats, by governments. We live in a better age- it is in our hands to support the musicians we like and the music we like. Let's do it. It can work.
So, if you like it- support it, buy it!!! If you don't- you won't have more of it. Very simple.
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"Be the change you want to see in the world!"
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leaetherstrip
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Posted : Dec 11, 2008 16:30
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I started collecting music in the late 80s in the form of tapes at the time tapes cost 8.99 than CD technology came at 16.99(with the excuse that is new technology)!
WHY!!!! Did it a tape cost 8.99 when it cost so much more to reproduce than a cd because it has moving parts and CDS doesnt(only a plastic stamp or whateve you call the cd part). And I continue to buy cds throuhg the 90s at 19.99 per import cds! Even Vinyl was cheaper at 12.99 and its a no brainer about the cost of repoducing a cd and a vinyl record absolutely inexcusable and of course they slowly faded out tapes and vinyl so the only option was CDs ha ha in your face! Now Mp3
NO ONE ever said anythig about this not labels, artists or distrubutors because they were making massive profits and never expected for something like MP3 technology to come.
PAY BACK IS A BIOTCH! Everything is cycle FuCk Lars Ulrich and Greedy Metalica. This people and the corporate pigs that run hollywood want million for their private jets prostitutes and drugs sorry party is over go out and TOUR make your money!
I do feel sorry for the small artist but even if wanted to buy the music I like is not available where I live! an I dont make the same money I used to
If people ask you why your burn rip steal music just tell them this reason why they will shut up!!!!!!!!!!! |
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leaetherstrip
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Posted : Dec 11, 2008 16:35
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Shahar you were pirating music from the get go! so how can you say if you like it buy it? and write an article about it =) |
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Kane
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Posted : Dec 11, 2008 16:51
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The sad part is that if you download a CBL album illegally and "donate" $5 to them, they're making much more than they would if you just bought the disc from Psyshop. I think distributors are more of a problem for labels in this genre than illegal downloads are. Labels/artists: Sell direct (digital or not) and you'll make over twice as much. Listeners/DJs: Buy direct and you can support what you love in the best way possible.
You believe in the users?
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shahar
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Posted : Dec 11, 2008 17:25
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On 2008-12-11 16:35, leatherstrip wrote:
Shahar you were pirating music from the get go! so how can you say if you like it buy it? and write an article about it =)
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What a weird question... did you read what I wrote? I'll explain again:
Exactly because when I liked it, and could, I bought it. Which is why I have around 2000 original CDs, 600 Records, a big box of tapes up in the attic, and a hard drive with file downloads I paid for.
What I'm saying is that owning music illegaly is nothing new. And it isn't such a morally big crime, as long as we remember that if we don't support the music we like when we can, we won't have more of it and it'll disappear. And that is a morally big crime.
As for your other post, it is quite irrelevant to an underground scene, there are no millionairs or big conglomerates here. Your vendeta is carried again the wrong targets. ---------------------------------------------
"Be the change you want to see in the world!"
M.K. Gandhi
"There is only one corner of the universe you can be certain of improving, and that's your own self."
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leaetherstrip
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Posted : Dec 11, 2008 17:39
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The question is What is your excuse for downloading iillegal mp3?
Not, What is your excuse for downloading iillegal mp3 from underground music scene?
and by way the music I bought was moslty from underground scene that is why I say 19.99 for a european import! that is average price for trance import cds in USA or dollar zone countries!
A rap or rock or mainstrean big label artist used to cost 13.99 |
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Posted : Dec 11, 2008 18:12
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How our mind has changed about "illegal" downloads?
Back in 1999 when I have my first PC, Napster was on its height. I used to buy an album per week (mainly alternative rock, I didnt know psytrance then).
I remember at that time nobody was considering "illegal" to download music from the net.
Here in mexico original copies state:
"Copyng, Broadcasting, Distribution, Performance of this recording with THE END OF MAKING PROFIT is prohibited."
Making a copy for your friends was not illegal, and so sharing it over the net, because you were making no profit.
I downloaded mainly bootlegs, b-sides, remixes of my fav artist at that time. I knew also many good bands because I could download their music and many of them I ended buying the album.
So these were happy times until metallica sued napster and then everybody start talking about "illegal downloads". (by the way I think here in Mexico is not ilegal even now).
So napster losed and I switched to audiogalaxy, it was around 2001 and I was listening a lot of metal and dark bands. Those cd's were cheap, second hand, and the bands I liked were very few so I didnt bother downloading.
From 2001 to 2006 I mainly downloaded albums that I was expecting a lot and were leaked in to the internet a month before. I always ended buying the album so it didnt made any difference to me. I barely used Kazaa or other p2p.
Music media was full of coverage about how Record companies were struggling to punish illegal downloads. I think to some degree they have made us guilty. To this day Not many artist have pronounced them selfs against illegal downloads(or at last the ones I read about).
But then I knew psytrance. Thje firsts tracks I listened to were copied to me from a friend on a CD. Then I went to the only electronic music store here in Mexico, I found some CD's but the catalog was very narrow. Then I discover Psyshop and I ordered twice, but I think its way too much money for music because of delivering costs. ( I will never want more than 2 cd's every four months).
Then by the end of 2006 I discovered legal download like beatport and digital structures shop, there I boght my first legal mp3. Surfing around the internet I discovered tons of releases that werent avaible to download, and sites that offered them free.
I wanted to know a lot of psy, but I was unable to purchase so much music. I used to buy what Psyreviews recommended (it never failed me) and was avaible on beatport. Then I realised I was missing a lot of releases.
At 2007 I started to djing, my tastes had changed and I was now listening and buying only techno and minimal. Buying the music I play narrows the selection and forces me to choose very carefully. That and an ethical compromise to the people who create the music which I use to entertain the crowd keep me buying.
But since I dont play psytrance as a dj, not many releases are avaible on legal downloads, and because I like to download mainly older albums, I declare my self guilty of downloading "illegally" one psytrance release every month.
Here in Mexico average psytrance listener is 18 years old, he cant afford buying from psyshop and he doesnt have a credit card. He downloads tons of unrealesed stuff and he dont even think its illegal.
Around here in the subway are people who sell illegally music. They go from wagon to wagon carrying a speaker to play loud the music they are selling $1 each burned cd: "the top 40", "The best of reggaeton", "the best of hip hop", the other day one was selling "the best of electronic music" with tracks from 90's dance (scatman, masterboy etc) to Infected Mushroom last single.
As a dj I bought the music I play, so I give recognition to the artist. As a psytrance fan I only buy what I really like that is very very few (and only if its avaible for downloading). I will feel very guilty if I played the music I have downloaded Illegally. I dont give a damn about downloading mainstream music, Record industry has made high profits in the past polluting my enviroment with shit music. And I'm really piseed off by dj's who dont buy their music.
In the last years big artist had understand this industry is going to change a lot: Nine Inch Nails and radiohead had released stuff for free (and I think many others which I dont know). Artists, labels and distributors know this bussiness is coming to an end. And we are eagerly wainting for the new world music distribution arise.
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Spasm
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Posted : Dec 11, 2008 18:25
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because we are all sinners |
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Pavel
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Posted : Dec 11, 2008 19:35
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On 2008-12-11 15:02, NextWorld wrote:
My huge CD Collection.
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