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Willy Wonka
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Posted : Nov 12, 2005 11:12
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I wouldn't say it becomes worse and psytrance bit younger than 15 years old. Quality wise it becomes better but artists more concentrated on technical tricks rather music itself, and believe me as wannabe musician it is really hard to create something new or sound like noone, even most gifted and creative electronic musicians have reflections of others in their music.
Moreover it becomes industry and since there is no that much CD sells in it, artists produce mass quantity and it destroys quality of music and variation in it.
This is not psytrance problem but whole global music problem. Classical musicians have done that first and probably them used whole spectrum of melodies, atmoshperes and scales available so everything after them will sound like fake so do not worry all be fine we still have some creative something once in a while.
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exotic
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Posted : Nov 12, 2005 16:03
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i think we need new softwares  .. i think fruity loops cubbase combo is just getting boring .. we need some phatter basslines and even more twisted synthlines ..
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ganjagil
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Posted : Nov 12, 2005 16:08
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I would like to know any good ideas on making a difference in this scene, and i mean good ideas you know TRance! What can we do to make this scene better like to extract the Goblins from Trance Parties and have a good Goa crowd then extract all the Ego bullshit Dj's and live acts and have play only a few trusted dj's and live acts...What can we do to have a spiritual uplift better than before?? any good ideas...???
Bom
Ganja
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Nov 12, 2005 20:03
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On 2005-11-11 12:58, Acidhive wrote:
So you blame 'bad psytrance' on producers who don't take drugs? Wow, I thought I'd heard it all...
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Nahh, I mostly blame the new trance generation, for bringing substances like XTC, cocaine and speed into our scene (making them the most consumed form of drugs at most parties), which has resulted in the shitty music that we have today, because people consuming the latter mentioned drugs aren’t interested in innovation, they are satisfied with continuity.
You know what my brother? I also blame YOU and people like you. People like you who want psytrance to be exclusively about music, YOU are one of the reasons that our scene has turned into the house scene. The more we move away from the core values of our scene (which were psychedelic and spiritual), the more shitty music you and I will have to listen to, the more shitty XTC you and I will see at festivals and parties.
You know what’s ironic? Basically you and I want the same thing. We are just too blind to see it.
PS. It’s well documented that psychedelics increase one’s creativity, so naturally the music would improve if more artists experimented with the right kind of NATURAL medicines (psychedelics if you wish).
Lovely seeing you again GANJA. , we’ve missed you.
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No man, I blame it on the you, who expect others to build your dreams. Those who put more energy in destroying other ppl's visions and dreams for your egotistical need to get your desires fulfilled... So instead of destroying, why don't you build your own happiness. There might others that follow.
There is no silver platter solution, you have to sacrifice a lot to make a vision a reality.
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That instead of blaming others, why don't we concentrate in building what we really love. Am i getting through, over? |
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Nov 12, 2005 20:07
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On 2005-11-12 16:08, ganjagil wrote:
I would like to know any good ideas on making a difference in this scene, and i mean good ideas you know TRance! What can we do to make this scene better like to extract the Goblins from Trance Parties and have a good Goa crowd then extract all the Ego bullshit Dj's and live acts and have play only a few trusted dj's and live acts...What can we do to have a spiritual uplift better than before?? any good ideas...???
Bom
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Create a small community with ppl that has a clear afinity to your ideals. And build it from there. Then network with other small like minded communities around the world and gather somewhere once a year to celebrate. In other words, create something new. Rome was not built in one day. |
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Nov 12, 2005 20:09
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On 2005-11-12 01:59, Willy Wonka wrote:
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To sacrifice what? AND what for?
To make music by himself? Not many of us have time or talent!
To organize parties with good old spirit? Once again time, money and lack of good spirit man!
I do my antidrug campaign, so normal ppl can listen and like psytrance. Altought there is nothing wrong with taking chemicals once in a while (i don't do that thou) but some become addicted to chemicals which is imposible. Each week they seek for party to take Es or drops, others just sit in circle and smoke green. Common this is what this cene about? Can you fight this?
Detox good words, we need to printem"all on t-shirts and sell in our countries.
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Willy Wonka
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Posted : Nov 12, 2005 21:40
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We discuss, lady! Some of of sound as complaining and some of us direct to solutions, that why we need forums.
"there once was a lesbian from Cancun
who took a young man up to her room
where there argued all night as to who had the right
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The Green Channel
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Posted : Nov 12, 2005 22:13
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On 2005-11-12 20:03, offthenutboom wrote:
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On 2005-11-12 01:45, The Green Channel wrote:
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On 2005-11-12 01:07, offthenutboom wrote:
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On 2005-11-11 13:19, The Green Channel wrote:
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On 2005-11-11 12:58, Acidhive wrote:
So you blame 'bad psytrance' on producers who don't take drugs? Wow, I thought I'd heard it all...
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Nahh, I mostly blame the new trance generation, for bringing substances like XTC, cocaine and speed into our scene (making them the most consumed form of drugs at most parties), which has resulted in the shitty music that we have today, because people consuming the latter mentioned drugs aren’t interested in innovation, they are satisfied with continuity.
You know what my brother? I also blame YOU and people like you. People like you who want psytrance to be exclusively about music, YOU are one of the reasons that our scene has turned into the house scene. The more we move away from the core values of our scene (which were psychedelic and spiritual), the more shitty music you and I will have to listen to, the more shitty XTC you and I will see at festivals and parties.
You know what’s ironic? Basically you and I want the same thing. We are just too blind to see it.
PS. It’s well documented that psychedelics increase one’s creativity, so naturally the music would improve if more artists experimented with the right kind of NATURAL medicines (psychedelics if you wish).
Lovely seeing you again GANJA. , we’ve missed you.
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No man, I blame it on the you, who expect others to build your dreams. Those who put more energy in destroying other ppl's visions and dreams for your egotistical need to get your desires fulfilled... So instead of destroying, why don't you build your own happiness. There might others that follow.
There is no silver platter solution, you have to sacrifice a lot to make a vision a reality.
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What do you mean?
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That instead of blaming others, why don't we concentrate in building what we really love. Am i getting through, over?
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Agreed ; Be the change you wan't too see in the world.
"Love is a way of life"
(Gaia, Love, Nature, Shamanism (.2A.y.0a.hu.1a.sc.2a.), Terence McKenna) |
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The Green Channel
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Posted : Nov 12, 2005 22:17
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On 2005-11-12 11:12, Willy Wonka wrote:
I wouldn't say it becomes worse and psytrance bit younger than 15 years old. Quality wise it becomes better but artists more concentrated on technical tricks rather music itself,
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Very true.
"Love is a way of life"
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Willy Wonka
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Posted : Nov 12, 2005 22:36
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On 2005-11-12 16:03, =((exotic>>>=== wrote:
i think we need new softwares .. i think fruity loops cubbase combo is just getting boring .. we need some phatter basslines and even more twisted synthlines ..
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This is not true, because if you been familiar to software you could probably know that it is so flexible so you can create anything with it, although artists use same patches because of lazyness and time they should provide their music to labels. These are the only limitations while talent is relative. Lazyness and Time (Time = Money).
Just listen to new Madona album, she clearly used ABBA's music in first hit song! She used melody of HIT song for her HIT song! "there once was a lesbian from Cancun
who took a young man up to her room
where there argued all night as to who had the right
to do what, how much and to whom" |
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Nov 12, 2005 23:40
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These are you words Wonka
"To make music by himself? Not many of us have time or talent! To organize parties with good old spirit? Once again time, money and lack of good spirit man!"
No wonder this scene is going down the drain with talentless ppl, with no spirit or time. Thank God the ppl who started all this from nothing did not have that mentality  Because it is the mentality and not the talent, economics, technology or art that is the issue in this thread.
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Willy Wonka
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Posted : Nov 12, 2005 23:52
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Well you right somewhere, but i ask myself why? I can find new scene with music i like, What for i should keep something that already developed into last stages of it.
This is the issue, once psytrance was or still had underground and talent in it i was very active and did for it what i could for free as joy. Artists promotion, party promotion, help with parties, help with equipment and production. Just now it's pointless
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who took a young man up to her room
where there argued all night as to who had the right
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exotic
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Posted : Nov 13, 2005 09:04
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On 2005-11-12 22:36, Willy Wonka wrote:
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On 2005-11-12 16:03, =((exotic>>>=== wrote:
i think we need new softwares .. i think fruity loops cubbase combo is just getting boring .. we need some phatter basslines and even more twisted synthlines ..
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This is not true, because if you been familiar to software you could probably know that it is so flexible so you can create anything with it, although artists use same patches because of lazyness and time they should provide their music to labels. These are the only limitations while talent is relative. Lazyness and Time (Time = Money).
Just listen to new Madona album, she clearly used ABBA's music in first hit song! She used melody of HIT song for her HIT song!
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Like you say its very difficult for any musician to be original these days because most of it is inspired .. why not move from old ( not obsolete ) softwares where 80% are using teh same loops with the sound tinkered with a little bit to make it sound maybe a little different from the original conception. and if you have played around with fl you'll realise that there is so much more that can be incorporated or rather introduced in these softwares that doesnt already exist . its evolution mate .. maybe our minds have moved ahead and tech hasnt kept pace .. or do we know .. we keep getting used to certain things and then we have to keep re- inventing ourselves and our surroundings to keep ourselves happy .. so maybe that state where our expectations meet technological progress is not here yet or maybe its just round the corner .. who knows??
sorry i might have mixed up a couple of issues but thats how i feel
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Willy Wonka
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Posted : Nov 13, 2005 12:38
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Yes, i agree with you that some old software and especially hardware allowed you to imagine more and create more musical wise parts rather than loops now. Because you haven't though about sound quality or sample originality. All percussive layout were the same and most of synth lines sound the same.
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You still can do it with new software, you can do it even better since sound quality in sequencers(music creation application) has been drasticaly improoved. Just ppl lazy with new technology and as offthebuttom mentioned in other post, there is no more right "MENTALITY". Music became money and each trach costs from 200-1500$, so why to waste time on good track when you still can release some semi crap and still get your money, ppl still dance to it, aren't them?
Best proof is Skazi, most uncreative music, i can assure you that if you come to my studio, with my help as person who familiar with software you can accomplish Skazi alike track within 6-7 hours with all mastering and boom drillings parts. BUT ppl dance to their music, aren't them. They enjoy it, they have no taste but maybe they don't want to come and start digging old Koxbox style with all these destructive layouts, eventhou it is more creative and unique.
Crowd is responsible, crowd should demand better quality, crowd doesn't care, so labels doesn't care as artists doesn't care.
Mentality has been changed.
"there once was a lesbian from Cancun
who took a young man up to her room
where there argued all night as to who had the right
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ganjagil
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Posted : Nov 13, 2005 16:10
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You know it is exaclty how i feel i started to make psy with the intention of giving the very best feeling i can in the dancefloor because i loved the people who loved so much this music and made a life out of it. Because it is isn't? It's a high frequency of life that makes you live happier and look forward to another album or party, look forward to the future! Because trance was future music high technology studied frequencies that uplift to heavens or hells. It was a mental and inner journey, now with all these bloody computer kids we have a mess. There many good things but they are fuckin lazy man as u say. It is so easy to create something new when you have the time and equipment and you are happy inside, but it is difficult when you do not have any of this and want money! But man do like other people do and work! Do not mix money with the music until you are sure that it is you! It is a new music!
bom
Ganja
Your sound, is your music, is your soul keep them all on the right track!
Please Check our music at:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=438956
www.soulkontakt.com
contact :soulkontakt@hotmail.com |
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