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What is the technicality behind bass compression?

demoniac
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Posted : Feb 22, 2011 13:56
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On 2011-02-22 11:50, daark wrote:
RULE #1 --->NEVER COMPRESS YOUR BASS
RULE #2 --->NEVER DISTORT YOUR BASS
RULE #3 --->NEVER SATURATE YOUR BASS
RULE #4 --->NEVER ENCHANCE YOUR BASS(RBASS etc.)
RULE #5 --->NEVER LOW CUT THE BASS

How about synthesizing a bass that would sound fit in your song, not as loud as hell only a good sounding solid base that is doing the bassline part?




Yes if the mastering guy fails to master my track
If not, compressing, limiting, eqing and all those process are more then welcome.

all in all your post sounds like a joke
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daark
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Posted : Feb 22, 2011 14:04
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On 2011-02-22 13:56, demoniac wrote:

all in all your post sounds like a joke

Well half a joke. I was harsh on the RULE part but thats is really my opinion.

Eqing is ok i guess, limiting???What for?

Give me reasons people.There is got to be a reason or else you are just talking
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Posted : Feb 22, 2011 14:05
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On 2011-02-22 11:50, daark wrote:
RULE #1 --->NEVER COMPRESS YOUR BASS
RULE #2 --->NEVER DISTORT YOUR BASS
RULE #3 --->NEVER SATURATE YOUR BASS
RULE #4 --->NEVER ENCHANCE YOUR BASS(RBASS etc.)
RULE #5 --->NEVER LOW CUT THE BASS



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daark
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Posted : Feb 22, 2011 14:17
I am only for experiments and wierd sounds .
I don't care make a whole track out of a vocal sample. Be my guest           http://soundcloud.com/magimix-1/chilling-forest-whispers
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orgytime
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Posted : Feb 22, 2011 14:27
i split my bass into subs and rest... and i distort the rest. i also compress the rest or do other experimental things with it...


how many dark rules did i break


i understand your opinion about compression/limiting the subs...

i remember a thread about a bass... the artist sayed he compressed and eq`ed about 5 times or even more...          www.soundcloud.com/orgytime
PoM
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Posted : Feb 22, 2011 14:32
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On 2011-02-22 08:02, aciduss wrote:
To fine tune transient to body relationship, making it more plucky (more than the synth env allow) or more boomy.

Some compressors also color sound so it can get nice buzz just from going into the unit.


often use it for this too , to get a more defined attack ,a more in your face sound and to get more drive ,the bassline more under control ,but all this it depend the situation and what the sound need and the mood you are in this day, can do something totally different and still sound good .
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Posted : Feb 22, 2011 14:51
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On 2011-02-22 14:32, PoM wrote:
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On 2011-02-22 08:02, aciduss wrote:
To fine tune transient to body relationship, making it more plucky (more than the synth env allow) or more boomy.

Some compressors also color sound so it can get nice buzz just from going into the unit.


often use it for this too , to get a more defined attack ,a more in your face sound and to get more drive ,the bassline more under control ,but all this it depend the situation and what the sound need and the mood you are in this day, can do something totally different and still sound good.



+1

i can understand from where daark rules are coming from. if somebody doesn't have enough experience and doesn't have good enough hearing of low frequncies it's very easy to ruin the bass by compressing it, distort it or whatever. i definitely won't recommand beginners to focus on these things. but when somebody has the experience and good bassline presets he can use inserts on the bass without ruin it.           http://www.youtube.com/user/ChichkeMultiTech
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PoM
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Posted : Feb 22, 2011 15:14
majority of plugins comp sucks for fast kbbb bassline,someone using one these comp (can be very good comp for other stuff it dont mean it s bad comps)i can understand why they never compress their bass cause it don t really make them sounding better , i mean it s not night and day.
some comps are clearly superior with the snap and how well it define the attack and the drive you can get,the way it pump ,the way it control the sound ... after it depends the bassline and the sound wanted .
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Posted : Feb 22, 2011 15:15
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On 2011-02-22 11:50, daark wrote:
RULE #1 --->NEVER COMPRESS YOUR BASS
RULE #2 --->NEVER DISTORT YOUR BASS
RULE #3 --->NEVER SATURATE YOUR BASS
RULE #4 --->NEVER ENCHANCE YOUR BASS(RBASS etc.)
RULE #5 --->NEVER LOW CUT THE BASS




lol           On 2011-03-08 23:13, moki wrote:
listening only to free music is like having the free possibility to satisfy yourself with thousends of different free sexual acts.
Ascension
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Posted : Feb 22, 2011 15:20
RULE #6: NEVER MAKE BASS
RULE #7: NEVER USE THE SAME HIHAT AS SOMEONE ELSE
RULE #8: NEVER MODULATE ANYTHING EVER




Seriously though, compressing to me depends on the track I'm working on and the synth I'm using. Some synths that I use for bass have a better sound, but less control, so doing some processing helps. Others I might be able to do it all in the synth depending on what stlye I'm writing, what tempo it's at, etc. Realize that with a compressor you can change the sound in ways that a synth can't- extra processing tools are there for a reason, if they did the same thing as something that already existed, there would be no need for them.

In the end it's always going to be subjective, but if you know what compression actually does and how to use it to your advantage, feel free to use it. The only rule you should live by for production is the rule to be satisfied with what you've done (also, good luck with that, I'm still trying to get there ).          http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound
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minus
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Posted : Feb 22, 2011 15:51
what exactly does an inflator do? so you inflate to sound,then compress the sound??!! the count fuckula ?!!
Nectarios
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Posted : Feb 22, 2011 16:46
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On 2011-02-22 13:52, daark wrote:
Take a sine and compress it? The only change you can make is to make it square and add harmonics to it or adding some vol envelope to it so why not using one?


The only change you can make is not make the sine wave square. There are parameters on compressors they are not brickwall limiters by default.
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On 2011-02-22 13:52, daark wrote:
There is no quite sounds in the bass sounds i would like to bring up or to bring down.


Well there are. For example say you have a bass sound you really like, set the filter, ADSR settings and modulation index just right, yet you want the transient to come out a bit more, or you want a clicky bassline where you like the click sound, but you want to reduce its dynamic content, or you want to bring the tail of the bassline more in the mix, Would you not use a compressor because you think the only change a compressor has on a sine wave, is make it square?
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On 2011-02-22 13:52, daark wrote:
Of course i learned it. DH


I understand you enthusiasm but you have a lot more to learn. Also you are too sure of the way you are working, allow for your self the possibility that you will get better results if you break the "rules" you your self posted, cause it is seems to me that the reason you present these rules is because you haven't actually understood them yet. Once you truly understand a "rule", then you can "break it" to your own advantage.

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Posted : Feb 22, 2011 16:48
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On 2011-02-22 15:51, minus wrote:
what exactly does an inflator do? so you inflate to sound,then compress the sound??!! the count fuckula ?!!







          
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Upavas
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Posted : Feb 22, 2011 16:59
And then there is Ott, who compressed a bass more than 10 times, equed it, compressed it.. and we all know about Ott and how his bass sounds...

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Martian Arts

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Posted : Feb 22, 2011 17:03
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On 2011-02-22 16:59, Upavas wrote:
And then there is Ott, who compressed a bass more than 10 times, equed it, compressed it.. and we all know about Ott and how his bass sounds...





Unlucky for him, he hasn't logged on Isra to see these rules, hence why his basslines suck           
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