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What is Live? What isn't? - a point of honor?
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moki
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Posted : Jan 11, 2009 15:52
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wow:)))))) funny topic:))))
the fake live act:)))
i did not read the whole of it yet, but it starts quite funny.
btw what is done by hundreds does not have to be the right thing.
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soulfood
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Posted : Jan 11, 2009 16:01
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On 2009-01-11 15:52, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
wow:)))))) funny topic:))))
the fake live act:)))
i did not read the whole of it yet, but it starts quite funny.
btw what is done by hundreds does not have to be the right thing.
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This is very true. Especially as I think the concept of the electronic music live act is far from set in stone.
Especially when it comes to working out of software as the whole software act has only been going for about 5 years.
I was never a fan of the mixing desk route to live performance with everything playing and components being faded in and out. But some time later we have software which can Either be the main event or work as a backing group for a single performer, who still has control over the individual sections of a track. In ten years time who knows where things are going to be.
It would be interesting to take my dad to a psy live act and see what he says about it... man, I'd never here the end of it. |
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moki
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Posted : Jan 11, 2009 17:02
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it was an interesting topic. one of the very few topics here that are not written in chinese.
and btw congrats once more to the author of the topic, i find it quite original and funny. this guy in video one was fun! and video two and three also:)))))) it is really fun!!! and may be some people dont see the real fun inside but i was laughing here for minutes!
i dont wanna argue about your terms of discussion, i am just passing briefly here. but i wanted to mention, that most live acts are just djing their tracks in my opinion. and if this eskimo video is a feature of being live for you, then i can only say, wow. i know that eskimo is so the sort of name that is quite interesting for many ppl in this forum, but i think that jumping there as a clown does not make him even slightly more live and if i were in the crowd i would not even see him! i dont go to parties to watch such things!!!!!!! i go to parties to listen! my eyes are closed, i just hear and travel. nothing against eskimo, but i think he could spend his time there with more useful things and if he wanna party then he should do it at a festival like all other freaks, and not like that taking the traveliing expenses and the time loss expenses for behaving like a clown:).
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well. creating music yes, but one is not a musician then i think. may be a combine-elements-artist would be more appropriate? of course it is a creative job but please , dont tell me that a dj is even slightly near to be called a musician. SOME ARE but how many are they actually, may be one percent of all??????? i mean a dj is a dj, he is playing the music of others. and a combiner, who mixes the samples of others or whatever other collage, is also just an artist who mixes the music of others. but to call it a musician? i dont know, i find it not appropriate.
another thing. come to earth, most ppl at the parties have no clue how much percent live you are, what is presequence. i personally go to see lives mostly because i just wanna feel the vibe of the producers. energy interraction, it is nice to see them, it is more nice to have people coming from 5000 kilometers. the energy exchange is nice. but i go to them, because i respect them as producers, and even if they would play the tracks according to a plan, presequenced plan , i am happy to just see them. at the end of the day very few of them do really live. it is okey. would be much better to have real lives, real time performance, but it is okey if you dont have. i dont call it a fake. it is just very funny if they pretend. very funny. video number one rules. so what is he doing. is he afraid that the people will complain after that that he is not a musician or what?
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Jan 11, 2009 17:55
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I very appriciated this vids! Massif spirit in own sounds.Great! |
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moki
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Posted : Jan 11, 2009 21:59
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very helpful videos indeed. i want you all at the next gig exactly like that jumping like clowns on the decks" it will be such a fun
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Elad
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What is Live PA?
Live P.A. stands for "Live Personal Appearance" or "Live Performing Artist" depending on who you talk to. In the context of electronic music, Live P.A. means that electronic musicians are playing a live show using electronic music gear (laptops, keyboards, synthesizers, samplers, hardware sequencers, etc.) Typically electronic musicians write and produce their tracks using sequencers before the show, and play and improvise on their gear during show.
What are Live P.A.s actually doing up there?
It varies from performer to performer. Some Live P.A.'s push play on a CD, DAT, or DAW (nowadays usually a laptop) - this is called using "backing tracks" and is used by musicians that don't want to take the risk of making a mistake onstage. Others take it a step further and remix that material on the fly and add live instrumentals and gear tweaking over the top. The "real" Live P.A.s take it further by recreating their studio sound live and have the expressive capability to improvise and change the music on the fly, because all of their instruments are right there with them on-stage. Therefore, you'll see some Live P.A.'s play shows with racks of hardware gear, and others with just a laptop (as it's possible with today's powerful computers to create entire music tracks using just a computer). Part of the beauty of the art of Live P.A. is that there is no set method. Performers use whatever means they can to produce the music.
The simple act of beat-matching and crossfading from one track to another does not amount to musical improvisation, in our collective opinion.
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just small quote from site i found..
match my own expectations
i guess now im in the stage of remixing on the fly using backing tracks , and hoping to move to full creation on stage soon. pritty complicated seup and gear to make it all from secuenced midi.. but possible!
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Gaiana
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Posted : Apr 2, 2009 01:29
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I think the main issue here is that a lot of people still think in terms of bands performing live at a concert, where the musicians would be actually playing all the notes and phrases and riffs etc in the moment, sometimes even improvising and jamming to create new pieces on stage.
Point of the matter is, speaking for myself at least, i do not create my songs in the same way a band creates their songs, so why should i compare an electronic "live" performance with the old concept of the live concert.
Much of the time i spend during the creation process is used on tweaking and shaping sounds and frequencies.
From this process, the actual notes and melodies i will use arise, yet for me the frequency is key, not the melody.
It's like, once i find a sound and frequency that inspires me, the melody or rhythm comes, as if the frequency is already carrying the melody and rhythm inside itself, and i am merely unlocking it.
Now, to do this process "live" would probably mean 8 hour live sets, in which i would play one song basically, which would be killer... in the sense that the dancefloor would die of boredom..
As for multi track mixing "dj-style", i think that is a nice new form of "live" performance for electronic music.
With proper use of scenes in ableton you can take this quite far.
As for perfoming live in the old concept of the word, i do not think it is feasible for psytrance.
Who can create multi-layered intricate fully tweaked and properly EQ'ed non-peaking/resonating non-dissonant leads on the fly? :s
I'd say a manually filtered synth, with all tweaks and eq's already in place, with a limiter to prevent peaks is as far as one could take that, with maybe a few FX sends done "live".
The point of doing something live is to be able to act and react in the energy of the moment, react to what is going on at the moment of unfolding.
In which way we do this is not really important i'd say, and we should let go of the old concepts and paradigms that humble us into thinking that electronic live performance is somehow less musical or inferior to the live performance of a group of guys on drums bass gitar and keys.
(..then again, just playing pre-arranged sets from our preferred daw's while pretending to twiddle some non-functioning knobs is not really the way to go imho..  ) www.myspace.com/gaiana_25 |
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para||ax
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Posted : Apr 2, 2009 18:36
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Well, our "live" act is constructed primarily using loops. The composition being broken up into distinctive categories namely: kick/bass | low percussion (snares/toms/claps/etc.) | high percussion (hats/crashes/rimshots/etc.) | leads (3 channels, 2 for riffs, 1 for fills/pads) | fx (2 channels, noises/crazy shit) | Special K (anything that doesn't fit into other categories) These loops are sequenced in Ableton Live on seperate channels using a MIDI desk. I can fire off single clips and mute each channel accordingly or I can fire off a whole scene. I don't write full tracks anymore. Just bits and pieces to fill up the repetoire to play out. Then my partner in grime uses his controller to add filters and other effects on each channel. Our next step is to have a keyboard to play out live sequences and perhaps arpeggiated stuff ontop of all of that. What we want is interaction with the music and the dancers. We want to be doing things with sound right there and then. So, I would say live is an intention.
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 3, 2009 01:42
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before the artists had to bring all the studio ,it was more a live act with few synths ,console,racks of fx on stage,it was more expirmental also ,when you have 2 synth a consol and few fx in front of you, you can t stay there doing nothing ...think how it could be fun to turn that reverb send on a kick during the break with that 20 kw sound sytem ...or tweaking a acid sound live on the synth...now everyhting is too serious,experimentation don t exist anymore ,everything is made in the studio to be perfect... from the small cut off automation to the pad in the live act intro ... all these virtual tools we use are cool but not fun in the end, and for the crowd seeing a guy with a laptop compared to a studio set up on stage it s juste not the same imo |
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 3, 2009 02:17
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it s a bit like going at a concert but the band juste have a lappy on stage,would be crazy...maybe instruments/gears are needed to bring something special with the crowd . |
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Gaiana
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Posted : Apr 3, 2009 17:13
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tbh... dancefloors are for dancing.. who actually has time to watch what some guys on some stage are doing?
I'd be too busy dancing like nobody's watching, closed eye visuals.. (.. or rather be looking at some beautiful girl moving like the wind on a leaf  )
Too many people are still stuck with the pop icon rockstar idolatry if you ask me.
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Apr 3, 2009 17:34
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Why bother having anyone at all up there then?
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 3, 2009 17:51
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On 2009-04-03 17:13, Gaiana wrote:
tbh... dancefloors are for dancing.. who actually has time to watch what some guys on some stage are doing?
I'd be too busy dancing like nobody's watching, closed eye visuals.. (.. or rather be looking at some beautiful girl moving like the wind on a leaf )
Too many people are still stuck with the pop icon rockstar idolatry if you ask me.
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it s cause you are in a personal trip ,it can be fine too ,but sometimes sharing the energy with all the ppl and the artist his great too .you say that cause there is nothing to watch so i can agree ... who care about a guy pressing space and then doing nothing |
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Gaiana
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Posted : Apr 3, 2009 18:02
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Connection and communication dont always require watching and attention.
Through dancing on someones tunes i connect deeper with them then just standing around watching them twiddle knobs. www.myspace.com/gaiana_25 |
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~d2~
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Posted : Apr 3, 2009 18:08
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On 2009-04-03 17:34, Axis Mundi wrote:
Why bother having anyone at all up there then?
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naked women would work for me |
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