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___mascalita
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Posted : Jan 14, 2002 15:38:36
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[quote]Why take one of the biggest, most influential scenes in the world and say "well, all you do is melodic crap, and well... err, you hear too much trance".
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let me tell u a secret - the kebab is a big fan of astral projection, so this line u wrote is not true.
as for the trance scene being the only real one here in israel, i think it's very sad, although this is my favorite kind of music. |
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___kaz
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Posted : Jan 14, 2002 16:19:47
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Unfortunately, in a country as small as Israel, it's impossible to have 3-4 big scale underground scenes. Instead of saying "you guys suck because you have only one", I find it absolutely AMAZING that an underground scene as big and influential as the trance scene in Israel ever grew. How big is the Techno scene in New-Zealand? How big is the Jungle scene in Australia (which has over 3 times the population of Israel)? How big is the Hard House scene in Denmark (and let me remind you that Hard House is way more commercial than trance in average)?
Don't compare us to bigger countries. Compare us to small ones. At least we got one big, well developed, influential, underground and beautiful scene. That's way too much to expect from a country our size, and holding the fact that it's only one against us (the members of the Israeli trance scene) is just WRONG. |
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___E.C
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Posted : Jan 15, 2002 19:00:36
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asaf - once again u shere us with your wisdom. 10x
* " israel has littel from everything " |
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___yuli
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Posted : Jan 15, 2002 19:17:31
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This, Grillmaster, is what I had in mind whilst writing what I did.
There are many many electro movements, much bigger than trance, much more sophisticated and progressive. GOOD.
I like trance as the ULTIMATE dance music.
Nowadays never at home. But still beats anything else if I want to do some exersize against some speaker.
Assaf - Good on you matey |
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___MichaelA
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Posted : Jan 15, 2002 22:04:01
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Kebab, why do you always have to innovate? From your perspective if you do the same thing for 1 year then it is obsolete. I've been hearing the same type of music for a long time now. You know what? I don't want new music. Most of the new music I've been hearing lately simply sucks.
People always want new unreleased stuff - they want innovative stuff. Have you thought for a sec if the so called innovative music is actually good? I think that we are spammed by new music and we don't care if it's good music or not. We just want the new, experimental and unknown.
Someone offered me some unreleased tracks. I refused. If it's any good it will get released anyway.
I know it's not really what you're talking about here but it's a part of it, and it feels great to say it :-). I agree with Asaf on everything he said, or most of it. |
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___david_kebab
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Posted : Jan 16, 2002 17:49:02
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i am sorry to say you people didn`t undersatnd me too well.
i like innovation but my favorite music is kinda old. when it comes to trance its MFG astral eddie mis and stuff like that so mike your arguments are not against what i said. i don`t like unrealsed stuff i think the chase after it is kinda ugly. any way mike if u will read my message again u will see that.
people i was trying to have another point. but as i can see no-one except Heidi did get it.
i wasn`t talking about techno or whatever. too bad.
ASAF - you r making argumets about stuff i didn`t write please read again my post- this time sloely and with a dictionary, and lets see if u get or not. - if u have any problems with my text please contact me on the personal level.
cheers and beers
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___starjoker
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Posted : Jan 16, 2002 18:08:13
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its not surprize that only heidi understood u..
after all u have to conversation ;)
beers !!! |
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___kaz
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Posted : Jan 16, 2002 20:02:05
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OK, since I *didn't* reply on what you said, here are a few of your qoutes (copy and paste are a nice thing).
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Quote: the problem with israeli-trance is that this is the only REAL scene in israel right now.
Reply: I don't think so. The fact is that Israeli trance develops in a unique way due to that, is not something bad. If anything, the fact that Israeli trance is influenced more by trance than any other style is an advantage. It doesn't mean it doesn't develop (it does), it just develops in it's own unique and trancy way.
Quote: the israeli sound is very distinctive and i feel that after the first impact that israel had on trance (early 90`s) when psy trance had it best years ever (big time dj`s played that sound cuz it was fresh). after that big music got in to coma and even worse. same ideas same boring melodies and stuff.
Answer: Lish is the same boring melodies? Pixel? Hujaboy? Skazi? Give me a break, I can keep on counting these acts for a while. Israel has historically been strong on the morning/melodic material, but that doesn't mean we didn't change. We may have above the average amount in melodic acts, but we have a LOT of great NON-melodic acts, which have a more "advanced" sound than what you consider melodic trance. Even more advanced then a lot of German acts.
Quote: lets face psytrance as a world wide genere is very small. its non-relevant mainly. since it lost it vitality.
Answer: It is small. It may have lost it's vitality. It's relevant, or else this forum wouldn't exist, and we wouldn't hear it.
Quote: people here know only trance -psy trance and like the high-tech guys they think israel is some kind of an empire- well like in the hi-tec israel never was and never will be a real empire.
Answer: Again, I disagree. We may not be as big as the Scandinavian artists at the moment, but we've always been in the leading pack since the whole trance scene started. We are an empire, since we've been a strong scene for over 10 years, on the highest of international levels. That defines a trance empire as far as I'm concerned. Saying that we will never be a real empire... well, first of all, none of us can see into the future (well, I don't think so... guys?), and until then, don't close are options.
Qoute: AFAIK when sven vath was in GOA he listened to GOA GIll playing his own music.
Vath took the rhyhms from detroit and from the acid sound of chicago.
Answer: Or he just made music influenced by Goa Gil's works, and just took it to the next step and instead of working with shreds from other artists (Goa Gil was working with a mixer and a few albums and sampled heavily non-trance materials), he made "complete" trance works. He may have been influenced by other sounds, but those did not create the spirit of his works. They gave him a tool to put it into a complete work. Since then, trance has developed more on it's own, and only in the last few years are we getting real outside influences from electronic music (techno, house), but even now, those are still on the sidelines. Most of the work today is 100% trance, influenced by trance.
Quote: people i was trying to have another point. but as i can see no-one except Heidi did get it.
i wasn`t talking about techno or whatever. too bad.
Answer: I don't know, it may be me... but maybe YOU didn't understand what I wrote. I was giving examples with my words, while you don't usually do that. I've just summarized it now. |
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___david_kebab
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Posted : Jan 16, 2002 21:19:19
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well cuting and pasting stuff from my message and replaying to only that stuff IS NOT understadnig what i ment to say.
the examples you gave worth nothing since its what u want to see in my message. i guess in a way you are making arguments with your super-ego.
i know i like this forum but still I DONT HAVE THE TIME NOR THE WILL to argue so long on stupid subject with people who can`t understand.
*asaf stop taking stuff so seriously its only forum on the net not a PH.d paper*
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___yuli
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Posted : Jan 16, 2002 21:27:12
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Grillmaster,
Sorry to go on with this... but I know u personally and I think u r quite good fella, and NOTHING PERSONAL but I got the same impression that Asaf did, and it's not the first time that u fancy almost ANY other genre of electro more than trance and you are not shy to say you do.
The only question that I have/had is WHY HERE?
Eventhough the trance is very small in comparison to other genres, this place is meant to b it's fortress... So why here?
Again - Nothing personal AT ALL
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___mascalita
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Posted : Jan 16, 2002 21:40:55
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[quote]Yalla KEBAB start arguing... ;-)
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yuli i think that's why :) |
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___yuli
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Posted : Jan 16, 2002 23:42:06
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Agreed ;-)
PS hope to see you both day after tomorrow wink wink nudge nudge I bet I c u there |
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___idan2
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Posted : Jan 21, 2002 07:14:56
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Israel can take credit for being the undisputed trance scene champion of the world. Germany and sweeden might be top countries too, but no doubt Israel is way more.
More artists that any other country
More appritiation for the music
More developed scene
More fans
More everything
Sorry cant argue with the facts |
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___iamtherealganjalien
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Posted : Jan 21, 2002 16:30:23
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more war
more terrorism
more misery
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really patriotic citizens
"my country is the best country because it's my country and that's why it's the best country" |
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