what is dark psy

On 2010-10-02 20:58, Maine Coon wrote:
I believe in balance. Keep yourself on a steady diet of horror movies and you’ll become a lump of coal. Confine yourself to romantic comedies and you’ll become a marshmallow. The same with music. Listening to “glorious morning full on” all the time will make you shallow, but there are times for that music (psy purists can start yielling “boo” now ). Listening to darkpsy around the clock will either dull your senses or make you antisocial, but there is a time and a place for “facing your fears” and whatsnot. Choosing only one extreme and forgetting about other shades will only rob you of valuable experiences.

These constant arguments about horror vs. cheese are silly at best. Aside from the fact that there is the whole spectrum of psy music between these two extremes, a balanced person would need both in some doses. Just like an ecosystem needs variety of species. Just like evolution needs variety of individual traits. Anywhere you look, diversity is a key element of balanced life and natural progress. One-sided enforcement of any life style, however rational its justification may seem, leads only to stagnation and unhappiness.

On 2010-10-05 18:29, Shiranui wrote:
I don't begrudge people who hold superstitious beliefs; I only get angry when they try to spread those beliefs. Superstition is the cause of much suffering in the world, so I hope you can understand why I have an emotional reaction to people spreading it.

I also love many forms of darker music especially psy but theres a big difference between being dark and being evil.

On 2010-10-03 07:31, Deep-Fryer wrote:

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On 2010-10-03 03:21, Shiranui wrote: Quote: On 2010-09-30 18:13, DJ Uhm wrote: Its not rocket science to understand that frequencies have an affect over us, and that energy is transferred all the time. It's not any kind of science at all. It's new age pseudoscience bullshit. Measure these "energies" with some sort of equipment and write a study on it, get it peer reviewed and published in a respected journal, then come back to me. Otherwise STFU and stop acting like you know what you're talking about.

On 2010-10-05 18:56, DJ Uhm wrote:

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On 2010-10-05 18:29, Shiranui wrote: I don't begrudge people who hold superstitious beliefs; I only get angry when they try to spread those beliefs. Superstition is the cause of much suffering in the world, so I hope you can understand why I have an emotional reaction to people spreading it.

Superstitious beliefs? Really, where? I think you are confused, and somehow seem to be painting me into some box. Honestly I don't care. Paint me as you wish, slam those who don't think as you do, bemoan all you want at the sight or sound of people expressing themselves and their beliefs, do it all.....just know it makes you look bad and intolerant. It does you more damage than it does to anyone else. You sound like those religious zealots who you are trying to blame as the cause of your emotions. That certainly sounds like a hippocrit.

And to the point you were trying to say about it being the cause of so much suffering.....sorry I call bullshit. Explain yourself, for all I hear is you accusing religion for making people soft, instead of people accepting responsibility for their own thoughts and actions. Misery is self-inflicted.

On 2010-10-05 18:56, DJ Uhm wrote:
And to the point you were trying to say about it being the cause of so much suffering.....sorry I call bullshit. Explain yourself, for all I hear is you accusing religion for making people soft, instead of people accepting responsibility for their own thoughts and actions. Misery is self-inflicted.

I also love many forms of darker music especially psy but theres a big difference between being dark and being evil.

On 2010-10-05 20:42, Shiranui wrote:

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On 2010-10-05 18:56, DJ Uhm wrote: And to the point you were trying to say about it being the cause of so much suffering.....sorry I call bullshit. Explain yourself, for all I hear is you accusing religion for making people soft, instead of people accepting responsibility for their own thoughts and actions. Misery is self-inflicted.

I don't want to turn this thread into a religious debate but if you want to know how superstition creates suffering, Richard Dawkins will tell you all about that.

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"Many of us saw religion as harmless nonsense. Beliefs might lack all supporting evidence but, we thought, if people needed a crutch for consolation, where's the harm? September 11th changed all that. Revealed faith is not harmless nonsense, it can be lethally dangerous nonsense. Dangerous because it gives people unshakeable confidence in their own righteousness. Dangerous because it gives them false courage to kill themselves, which automatically removes normal barriers to killing others. Dangerous because it teaches enmity to others labelled only by a difference of inherited tradition. And dangerous because we have all bought into a weird respect, which uniquely protects religion from normal criticism. Let's now stop being so damned respectful!"

On 2010-10-05 17:25, DJ Uhm wrote:

Maine Coon........Does it really matter to you that people choose to traverse these gatherings in a different fashion? That was the overall point you made when referencing the alarm siren example.

On 2010-10-05 20:42, Shiranui wrote:
I don't want to turn this thread into a religious debate but if you want to know how superstition creates suffering, Richard Dawkins will tell you all about that.

To quote

"Many of us saw religion as harmless nonsense. Beliefs might lack all supporting evidence but, we thought, if people needed a crutch for consolation, where's the harm? September 11th changed all that. Revealed faith is not harmless nonsense, it can be lethally dangerous nonsense. Dangerous because it gives people unshakeable confidence in their own righteousness. Dangerous because it gives them false courage to kill themselves, which automatically removes normal barriers to killing others. Dangerous because it teaches enmity to others labelled only by a difference of inherited tradition. And dangerous because we have all bought into a weird respect, which uniquely protects religion from normal criticism. Let's now stop being so damned respectful!"

On 2010-10-05 23:01, Maine Coon wrote:


The answers are No and No.

No, it does not matter to me what other people choose. So long as I have an opportunity to simply leave the dance floor and go for a walk – play whatever you want.

That does not mean, however, that I have to agree with what I see other people do. Just like Will doesn’t have to buy into the latest news about crystals. One can be understanding and even accepting – but not necessarily adopting – other people’s beliefs and practices. I don’t judge an old person for using a cane. And I understand why he’s doing it. Doesn’t mean I would do it, while there is nothing wrong with my legs. And if a young healthy person does it – all power to him. But it seems unnecessary, if not downright ridiculous, to me. Now, going back to “traversing these gatherings in a different fashion” – tell me: do psycore fans need hours of mental abuse in the same way those old folks need their canes, or is it that they just haven’t learnt to walk without a cane yet? Once again – it doesn’t matter to me either way. But it should matter to those fans, don’t you think?

The other No is about the point I was making by the alarm analogy. All I was saying was that it’s a form of brain rape in both cases. The difference between “traversing the gatherings” under the whip of 200 BPM tzwick-tzwack vs. under suggestive influence of milder genres is the same as the difference between running through an obstacle course under barking orders vs. jogging on your own in a forest. Now, again – I am not judging anybody here. Some people stay in the military because they actually like this kind of …ahem… discipline. That’s fine with me. Some people prefer to be strangled while having sex. Fine too. I find it unnecessary (and potentially unhealthy).

P.S. To clear any kind of wrong expression here: I do enjoy an occasional track of psycore (one track ) now and then. I do like “proper” and forest darkpsy too – 30-40 minutes at a time. So, I wasn’t just bitching about the genre in general.