ok so i used be into dark psy until this weekend when i went to party in nor cal i used to love it i felt so connected with everything about it
but when i was there listening to the dark stuff at night
i had a realization
the music that was playing was sounding evil and dark
i mean like clips of people screaming and sound of people dying
dark and evil vibes were everywhere i could see it was almost part of evil trance state you could call it
why does dark psy have clips of people screaming in horror and dying pain and talk about hell and the devil
for sample xenomorph and other artists has clips of talking about hell and satanic things
songs titled
Xenomorph - Satan´s Presence
Parametrik - Evilgame
Psychoz - 666
xenomorph_-_haunted
xenomorph_-_secret_satanic_hierarchy
Undertaker - Twisted Minds From Hell
Demonic Spells - Silent Horror
Satanic Mutant - Exorcist Devil
and album covers
filled with gore and evil looking pictures
is that what dark psy is really about that has nothing to do with what psytrance is really about
shamanic practices
love community peace reaching Higher State of Consciousness
connecting with energy that is inside us
etc etc
i think everyone should think about this thing next time they hear dark psy
can someone explain to me what hell and satanic practices has to do with shamanic practices because people seem to relate dark psy and shamanic practices
why do artists have evil names and put evil clips in there music
is this the message they are trying to send out if not then why are they putting them in their songs
there has to be a deeper meaning behind all this
to me dark psy has nothing to do with psytrance
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My friend, there is many other topics discussing this so please search and add to them.
People relate to music, music is a personal choice just as spiritualistic beliefs and the way one leads ones life is personal choice.
Just because you find no connection with a certain style of music does not mean that it has no connection with others.
Your perception of this style is based on your own personal views, and to denounce an entire genre of music simply because you do not like it is rather immature.
You sound a lot like my mother who used to tell me that she could not stand my ambient music because it had not emotion or feeling in her opinion.
I think it is more mature to accept that a certain style of music exists, that it does not "float your boat" so to say and therefore you should ignore it.
I personally have found that I had much more intense emotional trips and enlightening experiences without even touching a drug or alcohol at "dark psy" gigs than I ever had with or without being dosed up at non-dark psy gigs.
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ok so i used be into dark psy until this weekend when i went to party in nor cal i used to love it i felt so connected with everything about it
but when i was there listening to the dark stuff at night
i had a realization
the music that was playing was sounding evil and dark
i mean like clips of people screaming and sound of people dying
dark and evil vibes were everywhere i could see it was almost part of evil trance state you could call it
why does dark psy have clips of people screaming in horror and dying pain and talk about hell and the devil
for sample xenomorph and other artists has clips of talking about hell and satanic things
songs titled
Xenomorph - Satan´s Presence
Parametrik - Evilgame
Psychoz - 666
xenomorph_-_haunted
xenomorph_-_secret_satanic_hierarchy
Undertaker - Twisted Minds From Hell
Demonic Spells - Silent Horror
Satanic Mutant - Exorcist Devil
and album covers
filled with gore and evil looking pictures
is that what dark psy is really about that has nothing to do with what psytrance is really about
shamanic practices
love community peace reaching Higher State of Consciousness
connecting with energy that is inside us
etc etc
i think everyone should think about this thing next time they hear dark psy
can someone explain to me what hell and satanic practices has to do with shamanic practices because people seem to relate dark psy and shamanic practices
why do artists have evil names and put evil clips in there music
is this the message they are trying to send out if not then why are they putting them in their songs
there has to be a deeper meaning behind all this
to me dark psy has nothing to do with psytrance
I get your point and mostly agree.I myself dont enjoy the so called dark psy when there is stuff like people screaming in rage,agony and pain etc ,samples from horror movies,only chaotic and angry feelings,when it feels like the track are trying to be scary instead of psychedelic.If i want stuff like that i rent a horror movie or something .
But i like quite many producers being labelled as "dark",and thats one of the things with this disscussion.That all producers and acts being labelled as "dark" is not the same stuff or shares the same vibe as others being labelled as dark.There is lots of deep,intelligent and mysterious psytrance without trying to be scary or invoke same kind of evil that are boxed into the same map as those who try to be scary and follows the same direction as death metal etc.And then people think that they are the same "stuff" when they are taking you into total different directions and are about different things.
Well,this is all just words,and what is a word,it is a pointer.So all a word can do is to point towards all those associations oneself got with the word.Therefore we all experience words differently and they have different meanings to us since we got different associations.
So dark means another thing for you and psychedelic another thing for me,vice verse.
One thing that has been spoken about earlier is that many produders gets labelled as dark because of having a high bpm and many "twisted" and complex sound structures.
Then there is those who wants to be "dark" ,to use all those classic pointers in terms of words that brings some associations and samples of screams,horror movies etc.
Anyhow, it is about the music,not the pointers(word samples).Some music ,lets say a track with 150 bpm ,low octave base and squelchy sounds,perhaps just generally for the standard human mind creates a feeling(s) or an entrance inside oneself to deeper levels that many think of as unpleasent.
It is all about the meeting between the listener and the music,just like an experience and the one having the experience.Different person,different experience.
So one maybe experience a track as,mysterious,transcendental whilst another one experience it as something dark because it is sounds that they have not hard before,also,much labelled as dark can be very aggressive,choatic and contains feelings of despair etc.
But in the end,really,it`s all about the meeting between the listener and the music itself.Play a track for a insect or a cat and the experience about it will change.And every people think different about every tracks and sounds.It is not the sound itself because the one listening to the sound decides what or how the sound sounds like.So what it is is created between the creator of the music and the one listening.Then of course some kind of sounds, music scales etc we generally, naturally experience in similiar ways.
But in some cases,i think one can put a word on some act`s,because it feels fitting.Perhaps it can be good to label some acts as dark psy but for others not.I myself however view many so called dark psy acts as very very different compared to each other and in terms of being sound guides,they take me to very different "places".
Take metal music as en example,they have death metal etc for their acts that are most hard and raw.And there is some similiarites there with the dark psy acts,the focus on some scales,like minor etc.Not the usual major etc,minor usually brings feelings that humans genereally experience as unpleasent.And that fast bpm,the same pointers in forms of styles of samples,cd decoration,overall vibe etc,choatic sound structures,aggresives and perhaps music parts which many would associate with despair,hate etc,all those things that we usually define as something,dark and negative.Sure, some acts in my way of thinking feels fitting to call dark or something like that.
There is a obvious difference(in terms of creating emotions through sound structures) between many regular psytrance acts and acts being called darkpsy,but,there is also a big difference in the acts being called dark psy.
So i think it`s a bit wrong that many producers who creates fast bpm music,perhaps a hard low octave bass and uses lots of mysterious vibes,sound textures ,melodies etc gets boxed in the same map as the other stuff.It creates confusion.Especially for people who not have heard so much.
However ,one has to remember that every artist "represent" a unique sound,because they are a unique person and does not belong to a group,even though they may use sounds and ways of creatings sounds as a certain group does they still "represent" a unique way of creating sounds and building tracks.
Do you define death metal and other forms of hard metal as psychedelic?
Do you view horror movies as psychedelic?
I dont view it as psychedelic but i think it can change my emotional state at the moment.But that is not the same thing as something i would call psychedelic.
I myself enjoy some act`s that are being called dark since i find them very psychedelic and mesmerizing,for example Atriohm etc.
For getting psychedelic it needs other feelings,vibes,emotions then feelings like those who we traditionally experience as dark.So if you talk about getting beyond all the "light & dark" , beyond all duality then the track cant only be dark since that is not beyond duality.
Just because something is "mind bending" or "twisted" etc those not mean that it is psychedelic,there is lot`s of different mindsets one can be in ,psychotic or "fucked up" and psychedelic is not the same thing.
There is lots of psytrance music now,many branches of the same tree that not are psychedelic ,i am not complaining about that i am just accepting the fact. There is some plastic full on which moves further to the direction of mainstream music,there is some so called dark psy that moves into the direction of death metal and the likes of that etc.
But there is also alot of good producers out there doing very psychedelic stuff
Myself i dont like so called "horror psy" or what one should call the stuff that focus on the stuff you mentioned in the beginning of your text.Screams,horror samples,gory CD decoration,only trying to be scary, etc.I am really not at all into that.
But i like many tracks which has many complex mysterious layers of sounds,giving a supernatural feeling and being very intense and having a fat and steady bass and a high bpm.
Unfortunately this two "categories" often gets mixed up instead of being seen as seperate things.
So the musically talented, intelligent producer who works as a sound engineer , has been going to classic music school,being doing much meditation, yoga and try to understand as much as possible about spirituality and life and gives new ways of creating sounds and try to open new terrain and create new path`s on the map of sound
gets mixed and understood as the same thing as
Former black metal guy wanting to make scary tracks and trying to be as evil as possible in terms of creating choas,despair,hate,etc in the songs.Like to put in some horror movie samples etc.
This two examples was just like a example of how it feels sometimes when comparing tracks laballed as dark to other tracks called dark.
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DarkPsy
LightPsy
NightPsy
DayPsy
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It's all about the fractals, colours and mood. At night our vision get's extra vivid with imagination and what not. Enjoy all aspects of the TrancePsy.
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i find this dark
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This is dark Psy Trance
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I hate you, you hate me, we are all so hap hap happy!
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I took alook on it .yeah very nice,but also very funny.All you need is your ears .The most of those mentioned in this article are way more hardcore than dark,I know theiyr works for years.
Xenomorph is dark - he is even the very first dark ever artist.That is correct.
Especially the first paragraph in this article is really funny . Ive copied it here:
---Dark Psytrance generally does not use vocals, though sampling is common, with speech and other kind of samples usually being taken from different kind of movies (especially horror or sci-fi movies), or occasionally from other tracks. Sometimes sampling elements from other genres of music is done to in an inane attempt to mock the original tracks. ---
megalol.. sorry this is crap.It is a description for kids maybe.
Dark is when it is really dark .And NOT when it is just fast with a few samples.A lot of them there mentioned I like too.And cool that Mandari was also mentioned there whom I like.
But apart of it ,it is not appropriate descripton of darktrance IMO indeed it is crap.
dark is just when it is dark therfore you dont any rules..you feel it or not.
This track from Delta is pure darkness ,even with super dope quality.The term dark is the only one or the first one,one should get when hearing it.
Highko is not dark he is hardcore or sth else but this is more light than dark ,it is fast yeah but it's almost never dark.I could not find a second of darkness on his albums.There is lots of creativity on supertempo this is correct.
People should forget that idea that fast music = dark Lets keep this idea of dark is when its fast with a few samples for the kids .
This is just my own opinion.
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A classic album,hardcore material.
sorry this is crap.It is a description for kids maybe.
