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what is bitrate?

orbit
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Posted : Dec 9, 2008 07:18:25
hey guys

can someone explain technically what bit rate is all about?

also should i be bouncing everything off to 24bit?

ive also heard dithering is linked with bitrate, what is dithering?
vegetal
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Posted : Dec 9, 2008 11:23
Bit depth != bitrate, id rather say that bitrate = samplerate

Currently at work so no time to reply, check the links

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitrate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_bit_depth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dithering




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Posted : Dec 9, 2008 12:37
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On 2008-12-09 11:23, vegetal wrote:
id rather say that bitrate = samplerate


How so?


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Digital Audio is measured in two ways: Bit Rate Resolution and Sample Rate.

Sample Rate is the number of samples per second taken of the audio. 1Hz = 1 sample per second. RedBook CD (RBCD) is 44.1kHz = 44,100 samples per second.

Bit Rate Resolution is the digital word length of each sample. This determines how precise each sample is. Think of it this way. You can explain last night's concert more precise using 100 words rather than using 20 words. RBCD bit rate resolution is 16bit which gives a 65,535 word length. If a certain sample takes more than 65,535 words to describe than the sample will lose some information which results in distortion. The precision difference with bit rate is noticeable when you realize that most internet audio streams are at 8bit and digital telephones are at 4bit. Background noise is associated with lower bit rates.

So......If one second of audio is analogous to the view of your backyard, the RBCD digital representation of your backyard would be akin to looking at it through a screen door with 44,100 holes in the screen and 65,535 words or colors within each screen hole.

          
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Posted : Dec 9, 2008 12:37
http://www.izotope.com/products/audio/ozone/OzoneDitheringGuide.pdf

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Posted : Dec 9, 2008 12:55
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On 2008-12-09 12:37, pipe&slippers wrote:
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On 2008-12-09 11:23, vegetal wrote:
id rather say that bitrate = samplerate


How so?


Quote:

Digital Audio is measured in two ways: Bit Rate Resolution and Sample Rate.

Sample Rate is the number of samples per second taken of the audio. 1Hz = 1 sample per second. RedBook CD (RBCD) is 44.1kHz = 44,100 samples per second.

Bit Rate Resolution is the digital word length of each sample. This determines how precise each sample is. Think of it this way. You can explain last night's concert more precise using 100 words rather than using 20 words. RBCD bit rate resolution is 16bit which gives a 65,535 word length. If a certain sample takes more than 65,535 words to describe than the sample will lose some information which results in distortion. The precision difference with bit rate is noticeable when you realize that most internet audio streams are at 8bit and digital telephones are at 4bit. Background noise is associated with lower bit rates.

So......If one second of audio is analogous to the view of your backyard, the RBCD digital representation of your backyard would be akin to looking at it through a screen door with 44,100 holes in the screen and 65,535 words or colors within each screen hole.





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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Dec 9, 2008 15:53
Simply:
bitrate = bits per unit time
bitrate = samplerate x (bit-depth per sample)

eg. CD-quality has a bitrate of 44,100 * 16 = 705600 bps (bits per second)
24-bit audio @ 96KHz has a bitrate of 96,000 * 24 = 2,304,000 bps
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Posted : Dec 9, 2008 20:12
Dithering is the adding of a predetermined amount of white noise to the signal to minimize quantization errors. (This occurs when a random measurement of amplitude is assigned to a sample).

My lecturers claim that they can tell which DAW a mix was bounced out of by the dithering, which supposedly has its own kind of character from DAW to DAW.

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Posted : Dec 9, 2008 21:12
maybe this could help

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Posted : Dec 9, 2008 23:30
Yeah, except I got it wrong

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Posted : Dec 10, 2008 07:36
i dont care for technical terms too much
as far i care its "pixels"
but as mentioned in other topic we probably have to convert to 16/44.1 so would be reccomended to work in 88.2 then 96khz ?
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Posted : Dec 10, 2008 08:23
if i create a project in 22.05khz and resample it into 44.1khz, what will the additional 22050 samples be ?           extreme
vegetal
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Posted : Dec 10, 2008 08:54
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On 2008-12-10 08:23, piko_bianko wrote:
if i create a project in 22.05khz and resample it into 44.1khz, what will the additional 22050 samples be ?



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Posted : Dec 10, 2008 14:21
When sampling at a rate of 22kHz, your highest freqency will be around 11kHz...I suppose the additional samples would make up the rest of your range.
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Posted : Dec 10, 2008 18:46
I just took my first term audio engineering final and I still can't really type out what the fuck they are talking about.

my teacher is awful though.

just use 24 bit
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