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what exactly is a live set?
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willsanquil
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Posted : Jun 5, 2010 00:47
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I agree with Mandari and Dharma Lab - DJ and Live are not descriptive enough to take into account all the ways that there are nowadays to manipulate music in real time. It's not hard to see where it comes from....20 years ago, you could either play an instrument and you were a musician, or you could play other people's music (or your own) with a different medium (most likely vinyl I guess) and you were a DJ.
Now however, there are as many ways to manipulate music as there are pieces of software that are made with that purpose. You can chop up and re-mix/arrange your tracks, other people's tracks, jam over the top, create loops on the fly, do live mixing and effects-sends, use crazy macro MIDI controllers...but there is no standard definition for these various interactions at least in terms of DJ Set, Live set, (controllerism set?).
I think its great that there are so many new and varied ways of interacting with music in a meaningful, interesting way that doesn't require a classical training in music or a traditional interaction with a musical instrument - and I think that they are perfectly suited for the 'no rules' style of psytrance. People playing with cubes that send midi data, drawing on touch-screen surfaces to generate waveforms and modulations...my favorite is putting accelerometers inside poi and having them send MIDI data for use either in music or in video..or both...
Unfortunately not many artists/producers/performers take up the challenge of doing a lot of this interesting stuff in real time. Sure I see tons of controllers and interesting setups on forums and in studio pictures, but I almost *never* see anything besides CDJs and a laptop by itself. If I see someone booked as *LIVE* on the party poster, in my mind they're either rocking out on a synth/guitar/violin/other instrument, or seriously getting inside their music and twisting shit up on a controller...but mostly I see play n dance :
W/e the hell Live is, we need more of it in the psy scene imo.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jun 7, 2010 21:00
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On 2010-06-04 20:32, Maine Coon wrote:
Anyway, ever since I read that OOOD is an actual band, giving live performances, I tried to understand what it means (because I can not quite imagine “Fourthought” played live). Collin, could you describe it somehow?
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On stage, OOOD is 4 people: me (keyboards, engineering), Steve (guitar, synth), Ryo (percussion/drums) and Rama (playback, extras). We improvise alongside full mastered playback, which means we have the safetynet of the playback but the unpredictability of improvisation; our sets are never the same twice, quite apart from the fact that we have the ability to rearrange the tracklist mid-set if necessary.
Here's a 2-hour live set recorded in Switzerland in 2008; older versions of some tracks off Fourthought but you'll get the gist I hope.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/8gryps
I just want to make clear that I don't care what the artist is doing on stage - playing an instrument, messing with the arrangements, tweaking lead sounds... all I want is to be able to hear what they're doing. Artists who remove live interaction from their performances miss a huge opportunity to connect with the crowd, and the genre is poorer for it, both creatively and in other ways.
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the daleks
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Posted : Jun 8, 2010 06:51
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On 2010-06-07 21:00, Colin OOOD wrote:
Here's a 2-hour live set recorded in Switzerland in 2008; older versions of some tracks off Fourthought but you'll get the gist I hope.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/8gryps
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oh shweet! grabbin that! thanks Colin!!
imo dudes like deedrah whatever with the arm waving and jumping on stage despite their musical talent for the style of trance they make are poseurs. its cool to get the crowd hype, but i almost laughed out loud at work, when he puts the headphones on and is going to tweak something on the nord, then throws them off in the same instant, walks by his computer like he is going to do something, decides not to, and then jumps up on the table, like he clearly is coked up hard and does not no what to do.. agreed its no better watching a dude an entire set with his head stuck in the computer, but clearly, there appears to be no interaction required past the initial pressing of play. which is kinda lame imho. i've had some sets like that myself before, but i started trying to find some things i could do to make it more dynamic, which is the challenge of everyone using the live moniker. just because some people might not care and a lot of other dudes are doing the same thing, is not an excuse for complacency or mediocrity
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Kryten
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Posted : Jun 8, 2010 12:02
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On 2010-06-07 21:00, Colin OOOD wrote:
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On 2010-06-04 20:32, Maine Coon wrote:
Anyway, ever since I read that OOOD is an actual band, giving live performances, I tried to understand what it means (because I can not quite imagine “Fourthought” played live). Collin, could you describe it somehow?
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On stage, OOOD is 4 people: me (keyboards, engineering), Steve (guitar, synth), Ryo (percussion/drums) and Rama (playback, extras). We improvise alongside full mastered playback, which means we have the safetynet of the playback but the unpredictability of improvisation; our sets are never the same twice, quite apart from the fact that we have the ability to rearrange the tracklist mid-set if necessary.
Here's a 2-hour live set recorded in Switzerland in 2008; older versions of some tracks off Fourthought but you'll get the gist I hope.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/8gryps
I just want to make clear that I don't care what the artist is doing on stage - playing an instrument, messing with the arrangements, tweaking lead sounds... all I want is to be able to hear what they're doing. Artists who remove live interaction from their performances miss a huge opportunity to connect with the crowd, and the genre is poorer for it, both creatively and in other ways.
With no risk, there can be no magic.
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Just started to listen to it....sweeet  |
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Jun 8, 2010 15:27
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Thanks, Colin. Now I get it.
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Honguito
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Posted : Jun 9, 2010 12:31
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Posted : Jun 9, 2010 12:58
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well, sure it´s much more common on "Live" shows of other people and celebs, nearly no show of any chartbreaker you´ll see a famous guy/girl on stage who is not played back. guess it comes from the fact that nearly no artist you can hear in any radio show is able to sound good live and without the massive fx of processing their stuff in the studio.
at the end it sure depends also on the listenener and what the audience prefers. if you go out for joinin a orchestra show or just a nice jazz jammin session in club or join a bar with each night playin another guy the piano, you simply do that because you want to get drunk in a nice ambient athmosphere, lost your girl or simply because you love the sound of that music.
well, people wanna see lady gaga because of tv and radio shows. these shows playback her songs and the audience simply wants to listen exactly the same shizzle, they´re not used to live sound and most of them would leave the show if kinda that person will grab the mic. maybe she´s not best example, but guess you´ll get what i mean.....
nice point colin mentioned, it´s exactly that what fascinated me in electronic music. that you can actually see and hear the fusion between a human and the machine or simply the instrument. the instrument becomes alive through the human and tells it´s own story. well actually to describe my opinion on that, i use to separate people tryin to tell their own story through an instrument and peopl lettin the instrument tellin its own story. i heard a lot of great stuff where the instrument becomes the artist and the artist becomes the instrument.... weired but simple like that.
cheers n love music
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supergroover
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Posted : Aug 6, 2010 14:39
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So... what do we call it if it isnt a 'live' set but a pre arranged set of the producers own music? A showcase? i think a new term should be introduced here for this kind of act. Any ideas?
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moondoggy
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Posted : Aug 6, 2010 17:46
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^^^
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Aug 6, 2010 18:05
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Mike A
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elastic_plastic
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Posted : Aug 12, 2010 00:05
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live is something you cannot rewind or forward 
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Posted : Aug 16, 2010 03:42
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you see, they call it live set and not dj set for the simple reason that, they play tracks in parties that no one else has yet or plays. when an artist like astrix does new tracks he plays them for weeks before any DJ gets them. also, if you try making a track you will notice that it takes you days to make a fully powerfull professional psytrance track, just to make a break it takes you 30 min or more thats like half the set. and that is why its impossible to make professional psy fullon live.you can play some synth rifts like infected and add some effects but thts it and unless they make ur brain connect directly to ur computer u will have to content with fake but utmost necessary lives.
be glad or we would ear shit like sun project from everyone x)
maybe not shit but sucky
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